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what is happening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome back it has been a long time

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since i've been in old blue here in the

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garage with the boys and i am very

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excited to be back behind the driver's

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seat the rightful owner of old blue some

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of you know what i'm talking about

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somebody had her on her joyride they

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were drew riding around with her

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uh really quickly i want to give a shout

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out to ghost dragon zw thank you for

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being here tonight as well as adam

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ambrose sunsafer what's happening john

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arlene thank you for being here as well

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and obviously we got ufo garage in the

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house uh nights at nightmare thank you

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for being here uh facebook user thank

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you it doesn't say who you are this is

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mr big willy so thank you for joining us

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if you guys do not know we are going to

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have mr ron felber here with us tonight

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covering the mojave desert incident um

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but there are many other things that

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he's known for besides just that even

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though i'd say in this community that is

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what he is most well known for uh but he

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does he's had a many other works that

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he's done besides just this one that's i

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think it mainly is a uh

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a famous one here in the community for

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those that are drawn to ufology as a

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whole and the possibilities of what is

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in our great cosmos

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uh really quickly guys don't forget you

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have ben and joe this coming tuesday i

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don't know who their guest is going to

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be but they've introduced that one hour

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quick segment so don't don't please put

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it in the calendar don't forget about it

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ring the bell if you have not done that

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yet make sure to like subscribe and

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please share with a friend that is a

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great way to spread the channel that is

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how i found some of my favorite channels

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over the years as friends hanging out my

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way christina bell thank you for being

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here tonight as well michigan ufo

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sightings and paranormal encounters in

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the house what's happening gentlemen

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excuse me wayne what's going on tonight

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um also really quickly if you'd like to

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catch myself gemma jade and john hudson

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over at sor on the weekends in the after

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hour show you can catch us there i'll be

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there tomorrow night at 11 pm eastern

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we're gonna be talking spontaneous human

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combustion i have to admit i kind of

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thought there was nothing there

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i don't know started reading into a

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little more

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getting heartburn i'll tell you that

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i'll explain more that tomorrow tomorrow

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evening there and don't forget next

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weekend i will obviously have switched

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up my times here a little bit

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i'm now on fridays at 10 p.m eastern and

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next weekend i will have john music as

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my guest we will be hanging out we'll

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probably have some of the quite a few

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the listeners want to hop in there and

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we'll be sharing just some ideas of

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what's going on in the community what

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does disclosure mean to you as an

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individual what does it mean as a whole

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and really what is disclosure how do we

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quantify that and then the week after

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that i will have sev

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who is a uh she is full-time in mufon

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and she helps many experiences get their

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story out as well as just being there

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for them does a lot of behind-the-scenes

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work and she's had a lot of experiences

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herself and i'm very excited anybody

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that has not caught that yet can check

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out the chad smith podcast

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as well as the paranormal shop shop who

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is on right now with josh actually and

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they did a great segment with her last

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week there so if you guys would like to

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check that out please do as well as sor

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don't forget about mr dave scott banning

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the helm monday through friday over

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there lynn wallington goes on before the

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after hours 9 p.m to 11 p.m eastern

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and we would surely uh

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would surely appreciate your support

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with all that we're doing over there

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all right guys without adding anymore

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and without me rambling anymore also

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give it about maybe

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40 45 minutes and we'll really start

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bringing in the listener questions

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anything you guys have for him uh mr

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felber here tonight that we can get in

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we'll certainly try to do that

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so really quickly here let's pull this

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so mr ron felber began his career

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writing with articles based on his

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experiences for true detective magazine

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and went on to write three books in the

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classic nick carter series

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like his protagonist jack madison

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oh my gosh i'm a murderer this name i'm

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sure the kafika society and a man of

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a deputy sheriff trans trans sporting

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federal criminals and has excuse me

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transporting here we go federal

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criminals and has fought golden gloves

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i'm gonna ask about that in a second

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he's actually got like i said quite a

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few other books which i will allow him

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to explain we bring him in so mr felber

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i want to say thank you first of all for

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coming hanging out here in the garage

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thank you

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to be in the garage oh yeah yep the boys

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in the garage they've got the old uh oh

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my gosh what is what is their classic

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they would kill me right now hang on i

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got a picture of it over here

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they got theirs that they drive around

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let's get

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what is this one right here what is that

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i can't see that's a front profile whoa

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joe would kill me right now this is if

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he can ever get this car and drive it on

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it's what he he wants to drive and it's

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funny because we created this little

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logo off this was the first vehicle i

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ever had right well speaking of this

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what was your first vehicle do you

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everybody connects right we all remember

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that first vehicle that we had that gave

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us the freedom to hit the road what was

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yours it was a carmen gear i don't know

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that word carmen gear was like a sort of

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a volkswagen okay

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except it was a convertible so it was a

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carmen gear and uh i'm going to tell you

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that was just such a great car

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and i wasn't the only one that liked it

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the goodness

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that is good that's good to have as you

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want to have a vehicle that everybody

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wants everybody wants to take a ride in

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that is that is a good vehicle to have

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um yeah the boys who are at the garage

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they definitely don't know if you've

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ever looked in them or not they keep

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things very light very open um i think

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they do a great job in the community um

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as you very well know you've been

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involved with ufology now for well i

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guess what did you say let's start there

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what did what was your break into the

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idea of even what you followed us prior

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to the book did you know anything

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about it before meeting

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uh the couple that we're gonna get into

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this evening yeah well you know uh like

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a lot of people uh when they grew up i

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grew up with the twilight zone okay and

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and ray bradbury and and those kind of

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writers and you know uh h.g wells you

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expanding imagination

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and different worlds and that sort of

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thing but that's really where it began

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and ended i i i didn't have any great

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interest other than you know a sort of

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passing curiosity right ufos or alien

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abduction or anything like that

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um but i was open-minded about it

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you know i was open-minded about it but

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really what happened uh you know was was

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getting into the mojave incident

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and i had a sales salesman that was on

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the west coast i was i was in new jersey

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that's where the headquarters was

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and we became friends

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and when i was on the west coast i would

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go and have dinner with him and a couple

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of drinks talk about business mostly but

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he knew i was a writer i'd published i

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maybe nine or ten books

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and um and so he knew i was a writer and

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and he said you know i have a best

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that i played college football with

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california okay he was an all-state

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football player i said well that's great

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he said well he's got a you know a story

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that's that's really incredible

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i really shouldn't be telling you this

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because he confided in me

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and uh his wife confided in me as as

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best friends

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and uh outside of the parents

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you know they've really made a point of

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not discussing this but they had this

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ufo alien abduction experience so my

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first reaction willie was something like

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you know it's it's just not what i do i

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was writing thrillers and detect i was

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writing nick carter's story as i was

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writing yeah mid-series at the time

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right different kinds of things

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so i wasn't really interested

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and i i figured this had been covered

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but then he he was uh

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pretty insistent about it said you know

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these people

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are sort of dysfunctional i mean at this

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stage of the game here's a guy to a

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woman's a college graduate he's a

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college graduate all-state football

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player uh he's in charge the project

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manager of um

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of constructing uh malls

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so he had huge budgets people working

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for him so this was no

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just somebody you know it was it was

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really a sort of a a very credible

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situation they had two children

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so i said look i i don't mind meeting

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people so you know do you want to take

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me over there

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have a conversation that i'd be

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delighted to do it

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so we did and

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when i got to know them even a little

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bit the first impression you have is is

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are just very down-to-earth

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credible people

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when i started to hear the story

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i said you know

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i'm not an expert on any of these things

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but i've never heard

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of anything like this i've heard of

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people

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seeing objects in the sky i've heard of

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people saying that they were abducted by

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aliens i've heard of those things and um

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i i've also you know heard about groups

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of people seeing things in the sky and

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went on but i've never seen

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two individuals

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who had an experience that was sustained

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over many hours

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uh that that literally

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were pinching themselves comparing notes

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a trapped in the back of a camper

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and uh and and experiencing something

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more like

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like if a veil was pulled the curtain

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was pulled on another universe

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and it to me at that point i said

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you know i've got to get involved in

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this because it's a story that needs to

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be told

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you know it's funny you hit on that i

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shouldn't say really say funny is

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probably the wrong word for but it is

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very

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individual makes their way into this

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community i i have

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yet to come across anybody and again i

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always say i'm no expert in this field

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it's you know i bought a padawan right

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uh but

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no one that i've met has been like from

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day one just like oh yeah you know i was

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seeking out ufology you know almost

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everybody it's found them whether

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they're an experiencer an abductee of

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some sort

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um or someone who stumbled in your case

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across a very uh down earth couple every

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we could say your average uh joe and

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jane that have just an almost out of

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this world phenomenal

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if you didn't meet them yourself

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one could say reading your book this has

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to be a work of fiction right this can't

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be reality that these people experienced

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absolutely yeah

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yeah

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and so the the idea of the intensity of

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it

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and and again to have not just an

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individual but two individuals

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so it puts away this the idea of an

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hallucination if somebody were you know

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uh hallucinating let's say they took

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mescaline or something like that

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you would have one experience and i

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would have another yeah you would never

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have the same experience at the exact

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same time observing something so that

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was put put out of the out of the

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equation pretty early along

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which i mean i appreciate that that was

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something you guys have looked at too

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though what was there some sort of uh

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you know a narcotic involved and and

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we're gonna really get into this the the

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details of this tonight or at least as

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far as you'd like to go with it and by

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the way i want to mention before we go

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any further here guys i'm going to drop

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this into the chat as well but if you

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are listening back via podcast format um

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i'm also going to put it right in the

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chat any links that you would like for

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ron and any of his uh books as well are

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all going to be linked in what i'm about

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to drop into the chat here and if you're

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looking listening back on youtube you

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just scroll down in the show notes there

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and it'll be right there available for

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you if you are interested because you do

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have a whole host of other things um oh

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my goodness you got probably 20 plus

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books at this point you're getting get

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getting close maybe yeah yeah getting

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close i i um

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well

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i published my first book quite a few

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years ago and uh when i was 24

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24 it's a good age isn't it 24 is a fun

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that's a good time

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it was a thrill i promised you that

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but um so i did uh you know detective

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stories because i and i wrote for true

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detective magazine because i i was a

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federal marshal i was transporting

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federal prisoners okay

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and so they had some incredible stories

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to tell as well so yeah no kidding i

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wrote those articles uh but i also wrote

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um ill doctore the double life of a

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mafia doctor

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which was a non-fiction book it became

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the mob doctor on fox prime time oh wow

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of course mojave

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was done paranormal witness did an hour

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show on it and beyond belief did an hour

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uh documentary on it as well um so yeah

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so i i've been writing i have a new book

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i just uh i'm really looking forward to

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discussing a little bit it won't be out

383
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until september but um the story was

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given to me by william peter blatty the

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author

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of the exorcist

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when i was a student at georgetown and

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he was filming the exorcist so

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so that's the the latest and um

390
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it really falls very much in line with

391
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mojave incident

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okay out the paranormal and it's about

393
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just things that um

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that are undeniable

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and yet inexplicable

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you know what i mean so you can't say it

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didn't happen it happened but then you

398
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say like what does it mean exactly what

399
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does it mean

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and i have such a love hate

401
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relationships with things that do that

402
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because they absolutely fascinate me

403
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but at the same time like you said even

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with this one and now we'll get into it

405
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a little more tonight maybe there's some

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answers near the end there but uh for a

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long time and i'm sure certainly for the

408
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couple we're discussing tonight um

409
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there was probably a lot of unanswered

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questions um and it's maybe even

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starting with i'd love to know when you

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mentioned you first met them

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what was that i mean did they know you

414
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were coming over i mean we don't you

415
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hear a lot about that interaction did

416
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they were they open to sharing with you

417
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and how much you just really shared that

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what happened was this i mean you've got

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you've got to sort of

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put yourself in the shoes

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of somebody that's been through this i

422
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haven't and you haven't they're a lot

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really like prisoners of war

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or you know with post-traumatic

425
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traumatic stress syndrome so they really

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uh after this happened

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um

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you know

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i would compare it to somebody like the

430
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astronauts that went on the moon

431
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they come back to earth and they say

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like

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so what what whatever's happening here i

434
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went to the moon man yeah i understand

435
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that so you talk about well you know

436
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we're going to build a mall here and

437
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we're going to construct the walls and

438
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people say like what

439
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right i saw i saw a whole new reality i

440
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saw a different universe that exists

441
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side by side with our own and you want

442
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to talk about concrete

443
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i mean everything becomes very mundane

444
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everything becomes not so important

445
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and what must be incredibly frustrating

446
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really

447
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is is to not be able to communicate

448
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adequately your experience

449
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you know if i'm trying to tell you

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something and i live through this it's a

451
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lot like combatants you know they come

452
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back how how do you tell somebody what

453
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it's like to you know to be shot at to

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kill people to have people next to you

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killed how do you really communicate

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that

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because it's it's it's not um

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it's it's not an intellectual thing it's

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a visceral thing it's a

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it's a an emotional uh

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you know psychic sort of thing

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yeah

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so to meet them for the first time

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uh i think they were

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reluctant

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i think they were tight-lipped

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um

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i think basically maybe they were

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they barely were convinced by paul moran

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this sort of intermediate fellow

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that that this was a good thing he

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thought it was good for me as a writer

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he thought it was good for them to tell

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their story but um it was a little

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uncomfortable

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but once they started telling the actual

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story i have to say

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i said to myself this can't be true

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you know this can't be true

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to yourself i think you're saying you

481
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didn't say this out loud but you're

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thinking it right yeah we've all been

483
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there and someone's telling that story

484
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like but we had them we had them take

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polygraph tests we had them uh uh

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brought to the georgetown center of uh

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psychiatric center in washington dc to

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be

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analyzed to take tests to see if they're

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neurotic to see if they were prone to

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fantasies

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all checked out we had them brought to

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north carolina where dr william annixter

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who worked with the fbi in retrogressive

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hypnosis

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uh you know retrogressed them so we knew

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that that there were no mental problems

498
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we knew there were no drug problems we

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knew that they had no

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reason in the world to tell this story

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they were afraid of losing their jobs

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you know there's a guy that's you know

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that's

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in a very responsible position handling

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million dollar budgets wow you know and

506
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that's something i always love to do for

507
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people who are listening to uh gordim85

508
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good to see you brother he's this

509
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fascinated guess yes ronnie philbert is

510
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always wrong

511
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he's always great when he's on but um

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let's set ourselves in that scenario you

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know what year is this that i know the

514
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year that took place but what year were

515
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you meeting them in yeah i was meeting

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them in um

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in 95. so mid-95 so the most that it

518
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really hit tv on a national setting

519
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right uh you had the twilight zone from

520
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back in the day and you had what the

521
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x-files maybe around that side was

522
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coming out yes and that was about it

523
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yeah you didn't really have and it was

524
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always considered as a the kooky idea

525
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that was in the corner they for a long

526
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time they ran with that x-file music

527
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when they would discuss anything that

528
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was

529
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you know paranormal certainly alien

530
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related or you know ufology related in

531
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the mainstream media so for these guy

532
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for for this gentleman to be running

533
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this kind of a company maybe trying to

534
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get somewhere in the world but i believe

535
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the time he had uh two young children i

536
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believe

537
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yeah so i mean it had to have been quite

538
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a bit to try and come out and and even

539
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,039
open it up even to you and to a close

540
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:04,480
friend you know and then what they're

541
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doing to them yeah

542
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:09,600
and yeah and they're they're a lot like

543
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post-traumatic stress syndrome

544
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i mean they had insomnia they couldn't

545
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sleep every creak in the house every

546
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,160
sound you know like disturb them because

547
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this didn't just stop

548
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you know with this experience

549
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,320
they felt like they were watched for you

550
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,559
know months and years after that

551
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so it's um

552
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you know some quotes in the book that

553
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are they're pretty fascinating but one

554
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of them is like

555
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,480
the the steve hess who was the uh

556
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,400
the husband with his teachers what do

557
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,160
you say to your children what do you say

558
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,720
to your wife when you can't protect them

559
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:44,720
when when you know

560
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:50,870
treacherous sort of situations are going

561
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,840
on and you have no control over anything

562
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:56,320
you know you are absolutely at the mercy

563
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,919
of this situation

564
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,720
and i i think there's a huge frustration

565
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:02,000
i think there's almost a kind of

566
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:03,679
humiliation

567
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,799
you know where you're helpless and um

568
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,960
that that's that's what i ran into when

569
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,320
i first met them

570
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,720
and as i say as i mean any kids can go

571
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,720
for a mother or a father but anybody

572
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,280
who's has ever been a parent

573
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,120
that feeling of being put into a

574
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,799
situation where

575
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,520
you feel like you can't protect um

576
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,960
something that's so precious to you you

577
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:26,159
know your child i think most people

578
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,120
would say their children are the most

579
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,799
precious thing to them in the world yes

580
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,280
uh it's terrifying and i've i've been

581
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,559
i've never been in this segment

582
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:34,640
situation but we we had a situation when

583
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,760
um my oldest was born and again not that

584
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,000
long ago where we were at the mercy of

585
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,080
whatever was gonna happen and even the

586
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,760
doctors were at that point and i'll tell

587
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,679
you you'll

588
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,679
you feel so helpless right nothing

589
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,039
changes it money isn't going to change

590
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,120
it there's you're at the mercy of

591
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:53,120
whatever ends up coming out of it and so

592
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,320
to know how you went through something

593
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,720
like this and as we're going to get into

594
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,039
beyond even the one event

595
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,360
that's as a man or woman has to be

596
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,640
absolutely just

597
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,320
i'll be honest there's been times i've

598
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,600
listened to the story and there's we

599
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,360
might even get into a night where they

600
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,039
talk about different elements that take

601
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,400
place to them

602
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,440
that are just so traumatic mentally

603
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,159
that me listening to it is just my heart

604
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,679
breaks a little i'll be honest yeah

605
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,400
because i just i can't imagine

606
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,400
and again i'm not i know in ufology and

607
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,120
stuff people are always uh you know we

608
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,400
can't talk about the dark side of the

609
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,520
bad side of things but i'm not saying

610
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,840
this is a bad thing but i am a big

611
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,600
proponent of we should talk about the

612
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,679
truth and we should share if things have

613
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,919
happened yes and it can't

614
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,280
there's balance in life and it's not

615
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,520
always rainbows and beautiful things

616
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,520
right there's balance in everything

617
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,760
and in this case as we'll get into in a

618
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,760
minute here um

619
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,600
this couple and i believe 89 was that

620
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,280
when the actual experience took place

621
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,640
over 89 yes so in 89 at the time uh

622
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,679
that's actually when they had the two

623
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,679
young ones right and i've been there i

624
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,960
know they were getting ready to try and

625
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,799
take a trip to get away right for a

626
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,039
little bit we've all been there too in

627
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,280
particular the mother in particular i

628
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,720
just want to get away from these kids

629
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,880
for a weekend i don't believe my wife's

630
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,039
told me that many times and babe i know

631
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,559
you will break we do we need we need to

632
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,280
get a trip out we do

633
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,159
um so they they set up the the uh i

634
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,159
believe it was the grandparents yeah

635
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,760
yeah to watch the young ones they said

636
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,039
let's just go out

637
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,559
let's get out for a little bit maybe now

638
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,840
did they have like a camper or something

639
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,440
they must have hooked up it sounds like

640
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:27,120
yeah what happened was it really it was

641
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,159
sort of the

642
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,600
if you've been married or have a

643
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,960
relationship

644
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:31,919
you know

645
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,520
it's sort of compromised so she wanted

646
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,640
to go to

647
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,960
like just go listen to some music

648
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:41,120
and dance and have a dinner and like

649
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,320
that cover

650
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,440
go hunting

651
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,600
oh no he made the wrong

652
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,840
so so basically what they decided to do

653
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,480
was to compromise so

654
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,159
there was a place called whiskey pete's

655
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,000
that was near midland hills campsite

656
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,919
and this was just outside the mojave

657
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,960
desert

658
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,080
and the idea was that they would go to a

659
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,159
dinner they'd listen to some music at

660
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,799
this place called whiskey pete's and

661
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,679
then

662
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,159
he would go hunting in the mojave desert

663
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,919
they'd camp out

664
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,640
this mule deer that a year before

665
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,640
uh he had missed so he was with his

666
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,960
father and his brother and he missed a

667
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,080
shot

668
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,760
and they gave him a relentless hard time

669
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,480
about it and so this one does right if

670
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000
you missed the shot you're gonna you're

671
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,320
gonna razz him a little bit i'm gonna go

672
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,480
back next year and i'm gonna get this

673
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:31,679
this uh

674
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,520
that's what really

675
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,480
you know uh initiated this whole thing

676
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,880
but then they got to mid hills after

677
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,720
they'd been to whiskey pete's

678
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,120
and mid hills is you know rarely uh sold

679
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,440
out but it was sold out

680
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,360
and it was the night

681
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,440
and you can kind of imagine this is a

682
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,720
really desolate part of the of

683
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,080
california

684
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,960
and um you know moving into the mojave

685
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,039
and um

686
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,720
they had no place to stay but they did

687
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:05,039
have a camper they were in a camper

688
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,320
and uh

689
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:08,000
so the idea was all right look we can't

690
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,120
get in

691
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,880
into mid hills

692
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,559
let's go near where i'm going to be

693
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,600
hunting

694
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,279
let's cook up some steaks we'll make a

695
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,279
fire cook up some steaks

696
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,679
and uh you know make it make a night of

697
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,880
it and then i'll go hunting the next

698
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,000
morning

699
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,840
and of course uh

700
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,320
she was very reluctant at the time there

701
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:28,320
were a lot of drug deals going on in the

702
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,720
desert you know motorcycle gangs etc

703
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:35,279
and curry or drugs and have drug deals

704
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,159
and

705
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,559
it wasn't uncommon to find a body turn

706
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,520
up

707
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,360
you know in a dispute

708
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,760
and so she was really reluctant to just

709
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,360
go out in the middle of the night into

710
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,840
this into this environment i mean she

711
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,919
wanted the campsite but that wasn't

712
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,039
possible

713
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:52,960
so right from the very beginning there

714
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,029
apprehension

715
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,279
that something wasn't right you know the

716
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,760
things were on edge and and not quite

717
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,919
right yeah which people always telling

718
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,360
that right even we've talked about like

719
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,960
you know the different missing cases and

720
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,159
stuff where people talk with cryptids in

721
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,520
the woods they say listen no matter what

722
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,880
there's things in the woods or you can

723
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,640
see in the desert that will kill you

724
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,000
nature itself

725
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,600
if you're not careful can take you out

726
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,440
right so regardless of you maybe what

727
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,400
ends up happening here like you're

728
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,720
saying i think it's it's to approach the

729
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,000
situation a little bit trepidation

730
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,760
probably wasn't all bad in her part i

731
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,600
don't know the specific area and what

732
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:29,039
was going on at the time but apparently

733
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,400
he didn't really care he probably was

734
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,080
i'm sure armed obviously he was going to

735
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,360
hunt so

736
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,960
he played football right back yeah now

737
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,880
this is a guy that you can just tell by

738
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:39,120
the by the fact that he wanted to make

739
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,480
it right

740
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,880
so he blew a shot his father gave him a

741
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,400
hard time his brother gave him a hard

742
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,919
time and he said i'm going to make this

743
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,960
right so he's a competitive sort of guy

744
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:50,320
a guy that

745
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,990
and unfortunately this this evening

746
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,080
definitely turned into uh

747
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,760
not quite the i'm sure maybe even

748
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:01,200
romantic plans that they might have had

749
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,480
planned right to finally get away from

750
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,559
the young ones uh out there running

751
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
around them um so as as we come into

752
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,960
this evening with them being sold out

753
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,080
they're cooking their steaks i can

754
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,600
imagine maybe a clear night i don't know

755
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,120
if it was or wasn't but maybe looking at

756
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:15,120
some of the stars oh it was okay

757
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,320
so they're taking their time looking at

758
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,159
the stars perhaps and

759
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,080
uh just enjoying nature i would assume

760
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,760
at this point a little peace and quiet i

761
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,320
i can give you even a this is the setup

762
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,880
i mean exactly so they they did met they

763
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,120
had the camper so they made a fire

764
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,520
they were cooking up steaks uh and they

765
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,640
did

766
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,080
and um

767
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,480
actually there were this there are um

768
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,720
you know animals like uh

769
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,840
like uh

770
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,549
desert rats i guess they would call them

771
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,600
okay

772
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,360
kangaroo rats right i think that's what

773
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,559
they said in the book yeah they were

774
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,679
feeding them actually so they're

775
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,159
throwing bread to these these you know

776
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,200
animals

777
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,799
and uh

778
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,480
and just sort of enjoying that laughing

779
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,320
about that and then they started

780
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,159
stargazing so it was this incredibly

781
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,360
clear night

782
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,440
as the desert is i mean that's that's

783
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,559
part of it

784
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,679
um

785
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,840
and uh all of a sudden they're

786
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:09,279
stargazing and

787
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,559
and steve uh was sort of an expert at

788
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,720
this you know he he was an outdoorsman

789
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,400
so he knew the constellations and

790
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:19,520
whatnot it was explaining them to dawn

791
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,640
and uh

792
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:22,320
he said you see that that's a double

793
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,440
star

794
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,960
and this is this and she goes well

795
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,960
that's a double star

796
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,520
that must be a triple star

797
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:31,440
because there was a a

798
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,200
a glowing orb that looked like a moon

799
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,960
almost

800
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,240
and so

801
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,679
steve is a little

802
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,279
shocked at that

803
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,919
but in the meantime

804
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,360
he sees that

805
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,679
and he turns to his right

806
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,039
and there are mountains they're the new

807
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,840
york mountains and uh tabletop mountain

808
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,240
is in front of them okay and

809
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,720
from out of behind the uh one of the the

810
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,760
mountains

811
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,320
uh he sees the ufo

812
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,720
it's about 30 feet in diameter it peeks

813
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:06,000
out almost like like like peeking at

814
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,440
them

815
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,080
and goes back again

816
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,320
he doesn't want to tell dawn that

817
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,640
because the last thing that he wants to

818
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,240
do is is talk about a ufo or some some

819
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,279
object that that's very nearby that he

820
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,640
just saw

821
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,640
because she would panic

822
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,559
so he keeps it to himself

823
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,520
but while this uh is going on in the sky

824
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,799
of course this is

825
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:33,039
very much on his mind

826
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:34,399
the one

827
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:41,990
configure over the mountain which is

828
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:44,960
perhaps 500 yards away or so

829
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,120
into a sprawling m configuration

830
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,320
so

831
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,080
i i i'll do a little back story here

832
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,760
when steve was

833
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,440
nine years old

834
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,159
he went fishing with a friend

835
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,880
so

836
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,559
he and his parents and another set of

837
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,600
parents

838
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,080
uh went camping

839
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,679
and uh so there was a a lake nearby

840
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,960
and so they went to the lake which

841
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
wasn't far from the campsite and were

842
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,559
fishing

843
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,559
they both saw a glowing object in the

844
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,679
sky

845
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,600
and at first it was sort of fascinating

846
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,360
to the two boys

847
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,720
okay and

848
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,039
then it didn't feel so fascinating

849
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,720
because they felt this sort of almost

850
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,520
communication this sort of

851
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,520
telepathic

852
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:32,799
situation

853
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,919
this is when he was younger he was young

854
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,600
so they panicked

855
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,039
and they ran they dropped the fishing

856
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,360
rods and ran back to the campsite

857
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,360
and of course their parents are there

858
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,960
laughing and having a good time and

859
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,480
these two kids come in and said oh we

860
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,039
just were chased by a ufo

861
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,640
right so

862
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,720
nobody believed them i thought it was

863
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,799
kind of funny but to them it wasn't

864
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,799
funny it was terrifying right when

865
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,440
you're

866
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,320
and so when he saw this this glowing orb

867
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,799
behind the mountain and when he saw the

868
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,360
first glowing orb it sent an incredible

869
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,760
chill down his spine

870
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,240
because it it flashed back to when he

871
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,159
was a kid and saw this for the first

872
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,840
time

873
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,640
so

874
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,720
had he had he even tried to talk to

875
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:19,039
anybody about that experience prior you

876
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,399
know outside of what he mentioned to his

877
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,679
parents at that point in time did he

878
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,679
ever no no so he was just shut down when

879
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,120
he was younger and he's just pushed that

880
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,200
down in his memory exactly

881
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,520
that's what makes it so terrifying

882
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,880
because it was

883
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,120
shoved down into his subconscious and

884
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,120
all of a sudden you see the same thing

885
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,480
you saw i don't know 30 years you know

886
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,720
25 years prior to that

887
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,200
and and it's startling you know it's

888
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,240
startling

889
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,679
and so that's pretty much where they

890
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,799
were

891
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,279
but now when dawn sees the uh

892
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,720
white sees this configuration of

893
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,440
of

894
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,399
nine objects in this sprawling m

895
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,080
and sees them blinking they start

896
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,320
blinking as if in communication with one

897
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,279
another

898
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,600
she goes these aren't stars you know

899
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,440
something is wrong and he goes well

900
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,760
maybe it's a military exercise

901
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,840
because there was a military base a

902
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,480
couple of military bases um

903
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,600
nellis air force base and another and it

904
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,200
was 29 palms

905
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,360
that were not so far away

906
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,120
so i said well maybe it's a military

907
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,559
type exercise

908
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:25,679
and that satisfies them to a point

909
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,760
but then the nine become hundreds

910
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,960
and every sound in the desert stops and

911
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,080
it's as if

912
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,200
the whole valley is capped

913
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,360
and that's when

914
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
that's when

915
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,440
things go south

916
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,960
you know and that seems to be something

917
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,440
we hear a lot this the and it's not just

918
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,760
in you know maybe uh you know some sort

919
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,519
of a ufo encounter or anything of that

920
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,360
nature we're talking anything cryptid

921
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,440
anything paranormal sometimes there's

922
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,600
just this eeriness that settles over

923
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,960
it's that unsettling silence and

924
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,360
recognizing that in nature anybody spent

925
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,279
some time outside in a little bit of a

926
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,480
country somewhere during the summer

927
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,840
there's just there's the but there's

928
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,919
just life right around you so to just

929
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,360
hear nothing

930
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
so unsubtle i mean that i can't imagine

931
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,519
but you know it must be a similar

932
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,159
experience to seeing a ghost

933
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
i mean it just like it's hard to look

934
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,279
you'd probably look at it and say

935
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,760
is this possible maybe i'm not seeing

936
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,840
this right but then you realize you are

937
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,679
seeing it right that it's really there

938
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,080
and at that moment of recognition i

939
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,760
think like i said i think there's just a

940
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,600
shiver that goes through your bones you

941
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,640
know and and that's where they were then

942
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,760
um

943
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,320
so now now the whole nighttime sky is

944
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,279
filled with these these orbs

945
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,559
and um

946
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,360
they start dropping to the ground

947
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,360
like almost like floating to the ground

948
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,320
as if like parachuting to the ground

949
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,679
and

950
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,840
now

951
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,120
is uh

952
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:59,039
is panicked

953
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,399
yeah no kidding

954
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,679
i mean at this point you'd almost okay

955
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,679
so see if he's still rationalizing his

956
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,720
head right because i'm sure if i'm

957
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,760
seeing this i'm still gonna be going

958
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:07,120
through every other

959
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,159
even though i'm into this field i'm

960
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,919
gonna i'm gonna be i'm gonna be trying

961
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,519
to rationalize this in some sort of

962
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,960
sense that he's thinking military in the

963
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,720
area i believe there was an airport or

964
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,640
something that wasn't too far away so

965
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,279
maybe in his mind sure it's 89

966
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,360
it was the tail end of it but we were

967
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,799
still dealing with a little bit of the

968
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,120
whole idea of the cold war very tail end

969
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,440
of it maybe in his mind he's thinking

970
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,120
the russians are that's the first thing

971
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,960
he did did he really think okay

972
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,799
absolutely what he thought

973
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,159
because when they start dropping to the

974
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,880
ground they start rushing towards

975
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,559
they start rushing towards them so the

976
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,240
first thing he does

977
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,559
and i you know this is instinctive he

978
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,880
goes to the camper and gets his uh his

979
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,720
guns

980
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,799
so he's got a vest

981
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,200
why did you do battle with these things

982
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,720
and um

983
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,159
and

984
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:55,600
his wife

985
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,470
telepathic messages and the message

986
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:04,480
basically is

987
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,079
don't try to hurt us or we'll kill you

988
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,320
get in the camera very strong clear

989
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,480
message get in the camper

990
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,800
and sit there quietly

991
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,040
and so he's he's very

992
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,720
you know aggressive

993
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,800
and she says no no no don't do that put

994
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,079
the gun away you know put the gun away

995
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:25,599
and uh

996
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,040
and he starts to get the same messages

997
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,359
by the way what they see coming towards

998
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,040
them now

999
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,760
are pairs of red eyes

1000
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:36,879
red eyes

1001
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:43,040
rushing towards towards them

1002
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,480
and uh

1003
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,240
they go back and they go into the back

1004
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,599
of the camper

1005
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,919
and that's when things get really

1006
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,149
you know

1007
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,320
so it i have gone back and forth on this

1008
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,839
in my head before because we've heard

1009
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,000
the red eye thing over the years many

1010
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,400
times mentioned right whether it be uh

1011
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,280
you know perhaps a bigfoot encounter but

1012
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:06,800
one person that shed a little more light

1013
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,880
on that to me um that really

1014
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,920
made me think of it just a little bit

1015
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,560
different i don't know if you've ever

1016
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,680
heard of the name before or not but

1017
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,960
chris bledsoe i don't know if you know

1018
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,480
this name or not

1019
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,720
vaguely i've heard the name

1020
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,440
okay so he he talked about this uh in

1021
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,599
passing one time and his son ryan who's

1022
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,680
been obviously has a podcast who's been

1023
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,480
talking about a lot more bledsoe said so

1024
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,000
and he mentioned this and i've wondered

1025
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,079
if this is applicable to the situation

1026
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,440
which is that

1027
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,640
when we see those red-eyed beings in

1028
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,000
these different cases where people have

1029
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,520
sort of an experience with

1030
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,920
off-world you know beings of some sort

1031
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,760
or an extraterrestrial

1032
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,920
he said that is their young ones like

1033
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,440
their children and that they're in a net

1034
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:49,200
like a safety suit like an encasement

1035
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,240
like how we would bubble wrap our

1036
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,680
children like how we put helmets on them

1037
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,040
trying to keep them safe

1038
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,040
essentially the same thing and that

1039
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,800
they're not quite developed enough yet

1040
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,800
to control all of their abilities

1041
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,200
they're a little bit more um

1042
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:03,200
they have a little more in i don't say

1043
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,320
this or i don't want to speak for him

1044
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,119
but they may not be as contained as some

1045
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,720
of the older ones essentially their

1046
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,480
children is what he was saying and i

1047
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,920
think that that's kind of interesting

1048
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,119
based on some of the events that we're

1049
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,640
leading up to in a second

1050
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,160
but we're talking hunt i mean you're

1051
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,240
saying hundreds hundreds what do you do

1052
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,359
i mean all i can picture my mind if

1053
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,720
somebody can pictures a little bit if

1054
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,560
you're getting into this trailer you

1055
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,920
start receiving these telepathic

1056
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,160
messages and you're seeing hundreds of

1057
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:28,079
little red eyes running i i all i can

1058
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,440
try to put my mind is like you know the

1059
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,560
zombie movies where they just have all

1060
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,480
the zombies just swarming wherever

1061
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,000
they're at that's all i can kind of see

1062
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,200
in my mind

1063
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,200
and i just

1064
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:39,200
i i'm sure that the whole time any of

1065
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,320
this would be happening you'd just be

1066
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,440
sitting there going this can't this

1067
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,119
can't be happening there's no way that

1068
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,880
we're experiencing this right now

1069
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,160
exactly

1070
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,119
so so they they get into the uh into the

1071
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,920
camper and they sit there sort of uh

1072
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,599
indian style you know

1073
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,720
and uh

1074
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,280
two monitors like uh electric forces

1075
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,000
like if you looked at a fire plug

1076
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,280
there's two of them at the lip of the um

1077
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,880
of the camper

1078
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,280
and they're sort of electrified

1079
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,640
and so

1080
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,960
when steve tries to move forward

1081
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,640
they move forward he moves the foot

1082
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,880
forward they move forward a foot

1083
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,880
if he moves close he gets electrocuted

1084
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,760
he gets a jolt of electricity

1085
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,040
very trapped so now they're trapped

1086
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,640
and in the meantime

1087
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:26,480
these um

1088
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,800
red-eyed creatures become more in focus

1089
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,520
and what they are

1090
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,520
or what they appear to be

1091
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,560
they describe them as gremlins

1092
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:40,960
so small creatures

1093
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,480
like leather kind of faces

1094
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,280
red eyes piercing red eyes

1095
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:48,839
clearly

1096
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,800
malevolent okay malevolent frenetic

1097
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,160
incredible energy okay so this yeah

1098
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,560
really that frenetic incredible energy

1099
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,599
but

1100
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,800
malevolent you know okay these are not

1101
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:05,040
beings that want to want to do anything

1102
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,240
good for them

1103
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,880
and they're literally on the camper

1104
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,119
they close the uh the blinds on the

1105
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,400
camper

1106
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,079
and uh

1107
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:17,280
they're in the trees

1108
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,800
and

1109
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,160
that's when

1110
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,000
they uh

1111
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,640
they see a ufo

1112
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,480
that's the size of

1113
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,480
a battleship

1114
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,720
that literally caps the valley above

1115
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,320
them

1116
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,760
and uh

1117
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:37,680
the blinds become absolutely useless

1118
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,119
because the white light the light is so

1119
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,960
intense

1120
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:44,960
and so and so

1121
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,760
they look up and this this uh giant ufo

1122
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,680
they talked about the size of a football

1123
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,839
field which is very interesting because

1124
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,359
when phife simmington the former

1125
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,480
governor of

1126
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,040
arizona discussed the phoenix lights

1127
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,680
and the craft that he saw slowly

1128
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,920
hovering by him

1129
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,400
and a hundred other people he described

1130
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,079
it as the size of a football field so

1131
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,040
that caught my attention to these these

1132
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,280
similar descriptions but it capped the

1133
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,359
valley literally capped it

1134
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,880
and

1135
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,440
they they had

1136
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,320
it was a classic sort of ufo shape but

1137
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,680
there were smaller units smaller ufos

1138
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,000
uh disc shaped objects that were hung

1139
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,760
from it

1140
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,000
and um

1141
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,680
around that time

1142
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,000
the second set of beings they call them

1143
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,800
the illuminated figures

1144
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,480
surround the camper

1145
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,560
and there are nine of them

1146
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,599
and

1147
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,839
these lines mean nothing you know these

1148
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,760
blinds mean nothing because the light is

1149
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,960
so intense

1150
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,119
and these illuminated figures

1151
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,040
they describe if the ones are frenetic

1152
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,520
and sort of gremlin like these would be

1153
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,920
like scientists

1154
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,240
they're there literally surrounding the

1155
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,200
camper studying them with with

1156
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,040
incredible intensity

1157
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,440
so so to be clear on this because i i

1158
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,560
know you just said

1159
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,720
so we have the little ones never let's

1160
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,200
say uh entered the the trailer they just

1161
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,640
they're outside causing the rockets

1162
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,319
they're just everywhere the monitors are

1163
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,760
locking them in okay yeah

1164
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,800
and then

1165
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:21,920
the

1166
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,720
he said when he tried to take a step

1167
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,359
forward what was there anything in yes

1168
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,200
monitors two monitors and that's right

1169
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,960
fire plugs

1170
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,319
forgot about that

1171
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:44,160
okay and so nothing else is in there

1172
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,440
just these things that are now watching

1173
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,040
them from the outside that you have

1174
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:49,119
clearly he's got a gun over you know

1175
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,240
shotgun

1176
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,119
on his lap another remington rifle on

1177
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:56,000
his lap but obviously he can't do

1178
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,880
anything

1179
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,040
and so literally they're they're trapped

1180
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,480
and contained

1181
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,240
and this is what makes this story so

1182
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,800
incredibly bizarre

1183
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,520
and real at the same time

1184
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,560
about that time prior to

1185
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,160
what what becomes almost a kind of

1186
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,950
if you want to use that word

1187
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,599
because what a scientist would do to a

1188
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:22,960
chimpanzee

1189
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,599
or what a scientist would do to a rabbit

1190
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,040
or a lab rat

1191
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,280
that's okay that's the way they were

1192
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,640
viewed by these

1193
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,680
illuminated figures as an experiment

1194
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,839
you know totally unemotional

1195
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,760
but in the meantime

1196
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,240
they feel this rumbling this tremendous

1197
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,800
rumbling like the earth is shaking

1198
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,160
underneath them

1199
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,800
and they hear this this rumbling sound

1200
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,480
and smell

1201
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,920
uh the unmistakable

1202
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,800
i won't say scent because it's too

1203
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,640
let's call it stench

1204
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,119
okay sulfur

1205
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,760
of sulfur or burning rubber

1206
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,040
and

1207
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:04,960
from the craft emerges a sort of

1208
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,510
object

1209
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:10,880
that combs

1210
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,720
and it seems like a kind of mining

1211
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:16,480
operation is going on

1212
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:19,760
where this triangular

1213
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,680
object instrument is combing the ground

1214
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,160
and and they're mining underneath so

1215
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,640
it's pinpointing certain areas

1216
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,200
now interesting enough the mojave desert

1217
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,560
is is famous

1218
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,240
for rare earth

1219
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,760
okay um

1220
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,359
a lot of um

1221
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:38,640
uh

1222
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,040
elements yeah rare earth elements

1223
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,599
elements that are used in laser weaponry

1224
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,800
etc

1225
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,480
and um

1226
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,880
and so

1227
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,040
they think my kind of mining operation

1228
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,119
is going on at the same time now

1229
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,079
simultaneous to this they're surrounded

1230
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,680
and

1231
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,800
now there's a this incredible

1232
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,880
telepathic

1233
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,640
domination

1234
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,560
starts to happen

1235
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,240
they're taken back

1236
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,280
but not like a dream but literally like

1237
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,680
taken back to experience different

1238
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,760
things in their life

1239
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,760
uh some

1240
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,119
happy things

1241
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,640
let's say a marriage

1242
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,119
okay some

1243
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,280
moments of exaltation let's say you're a

1244
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,880
football player and you're

1245
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,680
you

1246
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,640
winning the big game right making the

1247
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,109
let's say the birth of a child

1248
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,839
but they weren't all positive

1249
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,839
some of them were terrifying so for

1250
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,960
example

1251
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,160
dawn had had a uh when she was a

1252
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,680
young girl

1253
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,839
and a sexual assault

1254
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,000
and so she was forced to relive that to

1255
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,359
the moment

1256
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:57,599
um

1257
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,119
steve who was an avid hunter as we know

1258
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,200
uh was was forced to

1259
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,280
to have the tables turned

1260
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,200
where he was being hunted

1261
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,960
by a group of men

1262
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,880
like the animals were

1263
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,400
and actually shot

1264
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,920
and skinned

1265
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,640
so i mean so the idea

1266
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,960
was that that that

1267
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,359
one would would actually be screaming in

1268
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,720
terror

1269
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,839
while the other was going through

1270
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,400
another kind of experience simultaneous

1271
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,839
side by side

1272
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,280
well that's what i was going to ask you

1273
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,359
is like while this is happening

1274
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,880
it wasn't at the same time what so

1275
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,480
you're getting to not only are you going

1276
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,079
to this traumatic thing or this is a

1277
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,760
exhilarating thing you're watching your

1278
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,440
person you care about the most too go

1279
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,560
through this right next to you exactly

1280
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,109
first of all they thought they're gonna

1281
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,040
have a heart attack so their bodies are

1282
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,640
pumping their hearts are pumping their

1283
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,119
pulse rate is you know beyond

1284
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,520
um you know

1285
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,760
beyond uh healthy levels let's at least

1286
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,720
say that yeah mine would be too but then

1287
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,480
but then what would happen is a sort of

1288
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:03,839
uh

1289
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,880
a cool mist would come into the camper

1290
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,720
and it would be like a sedative

1291
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,560
it would calm them down

1292
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,920
so that they wouldn't have a heart

1293
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,839
attack and so it would be sort of like

1294
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:14,720
this

1295
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,640
insidious

1296
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,800
and and terrifying

1297
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,040
it was like they were being kept alive

1298
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,640
in other words we don't we're not going

1299
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,400
to let you die right we're not going to

1300
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,319
let you can't let you pass away here

1301
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,000
because we still have more experiments

1302
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,280
to do

1303
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,720
man and and so the whole thing

1304
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
like i said is a chilling

1305
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,400
experience

1306
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,480
on many levels now you can see it's a

1307
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,200
multi-dimensional situation in terms of

1308
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,480
levels of

1309
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,640
of emotion

1310
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,160
and um

1311
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,240
they think they've gone crazy

1312
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:52,079
so literally they start pinching one

1313
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,119
another

1314
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,760
so dawn would pinch steve and say

1315
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,160
this is what i see

1316
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,640
what do you see and they'd compare notes

1317
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,839
to make sure

1318
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,599
that they were seeing the same things at

1319
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,760
the same time in minute detail which

1320
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,079
yeah yeah it's such a credible thing to

1321
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,359
do

1322
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,720
i mean but this sounds like this went on

1323
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,520
for

1324
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,040
hours hours right we're talking that

1325
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,800
basically all it sounds like

1326
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,560
majority of the evening the early

1327
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,480
morning times hours

1328
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,079
and um

1329
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,800
and so so they were sort of kept alive

1330
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,960
on this uh basis they thought they were

1331
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,800
in hell they thought they had died and

1332
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,640
were in hell

1333
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,800
i mean isn't that a a stunning statement

1334
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,720
but that's what she said actually

1335
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,599
uh

1336
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,440
in the book there's you know a lot of

1337
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,920
dialogue a lot of quotes that come from

1338
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,240
recordings and from the the

1339
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,200
videotaped hypnotic sessions and whatnot

1340
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,440
but um this was all conscious

1341
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,280
so it didn't need to be retrogressed for

1342
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,960
this this was happening they could just

1343
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,440
like you and i are talking confirmed

1344
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,800
this was uh

1345
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:53,839
this was

1346
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,920
a real situation not buried in any way

1347
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:59,359
and um

1348
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,319
so

1349
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,960
torment

1350
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,400
and uh

1351
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,720
even to the point where

1352
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,880
they sort of tease them

1353
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,359
they withdraw and and they're saying

1354
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,839
thank god maybe it's over but then they

1355
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,319
come back even stronger

1356
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,319
and so this is playing with their

1357
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,160
playing with their minds and ways and by

1358
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,079
the way the things about the kids that i

1359
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,079
really don't want to get into but you

1360
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,680
can imagine yeah

1361
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:27,920
the whole idea

1362
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,520
dawn said later in analyzing it with dr

1363
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,800
anixter

1364
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,240
was that

1365
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,030
she didn't feel like they understood

1366
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,680
human emotions

1367
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,760
and this this was a way

1368
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,359
to study

1369
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,240
how humans react what fear is like

1370
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,400
what what makes somebody afraid what

1371
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,920
horror is like what ecstasy is like what

1372
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,640
happiness is like what gratification is

1373
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,440
like what terror is like so

1374
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,319
it's this sort of roller coaster where i

1375
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,680
mean you would

1376
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,359
you me or anyone i suppose would just

1377
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:08,240
say i think we've gone crazy yeah yeah

1378
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,040
yeah

1379
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,960
i it's it's funny like i've seen in the

1380
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,160
chat some people are talking about

1381
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,920
saying that as far as the smell it's

1382
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:15,440
been associated i guess in the past

1383
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,559
people are saying with the sulfur with

1384
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,839
demons and stuff and some people say

1385
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,960
they've seen one

1386
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,160
so i could see why they would think at

1387
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,240
this time that they're literally living

1388
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,599
in hell at that moment they're

1389
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,440
experiencing a hell like moment at least

1390
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,960
mr gary voorhees thank you very much for

1391
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,079
that super chat brother and good to see

1392
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,920
you in the chat tonight

1393
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,720
so

1394
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
this is

1395
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:35,040
the you know really interesting thing

1396
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,160
um

1397
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,480
i mean it it's almost

1398
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,400
it's almost like

1399
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,480
they're having a kind of

1400
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,000
extraterrestrial

1401
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,160
or almost religious

1402
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,440
experience

1403
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,880
in the sense that

1404
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,640
there seems to be a sort of good and

1405
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,760
evil

1406
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,319
thing going on here and and what really

1407
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,359
caps it

1408
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,079
in that sense is this

1409
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,480
just when they they believe that they're

1410
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
they're either dead or going to die for

1411
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,960
sure and that their kids are in grave

1412
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,480
danger

1413
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,920
um

1414
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,599
this presence

1415
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,480
an angelic presence appears in the in

1416
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,839
the sky

1417
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,040
okay

1418
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,160
unmistakably feminine

1419
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,599
um

1420
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,599
in the shape of a kind of angelic

1421
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,720
presence

1422
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,720
they called this

1423
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,040
their comforter

1424
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,760
and basically this female voice

1425
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,000
telepathically tells them

1426
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,520
you'll survive this

1427
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,520
your kids will be okay

1428
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,440
this will be over soon

1429
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,480
don't don't panic you know don't don't

1430
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,720
just just hold it together

1431
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
this won't last forever

1432
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,319
and of course they were incredibly

1433
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,319
grateful about that

1434
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,599
and uh after that they they get very

1435
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,790
classic right things start to withdraw

1436
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,160
they get incredibly tired like drugged

1437
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:02,800
and they they go to sleep

1438
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,160
they they wake up

1439
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,079
hours later

1440
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:09,920
sprawled on the outside the camper

1441
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,640
sprawled on the ground with the fire

1442
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,400
dead

1443
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,720
and fully clothed

1444
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,520
but terribly disoriented of course

1445
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,680
and um

1446
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,280
and they they think the end of the world

1447
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,400
happened

1448
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,559
you know they couldn't imagine

1449
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,920
that this was something that just

1450
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,000
happened to them because it was on such

1451
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,160
a massive scale

1452
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,760
so they think

1453
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,520
you mentioned the russians they they

1454
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,839
thought that there was some sort of uh

1455
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:38,800
attack

1456
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,680
and a world war

1457
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:45,839
and so

1458
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:52,710
pack up to get go home

1459
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,240
and again this whole idea of uh

1460
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,559
we've just experienced something that

1461
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,480
is so large

1462
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,680
so huge

1463
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:04,000
that it's hard to to get your feet on

1464
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,440
the ground again

1465
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,400
but they they want to find out who else

1466
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,000
has heard about so they turn the radio

1467
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,599
on and they're expecting

1468
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,319
you know some news bulletins yeah no

1469
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,680
news bulletins which to them is you know

1470
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,200
unbelievable

1471
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,880
but yeah so they hear a country western

1472
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:23,920
song or randy travis or ever singing

1473
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,720
good old randy travis

1474
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,680
not not not too far they they drive in

1475
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,960
their camper

1476
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,680
and

1477
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,280
several miles away they run into an

1478
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,520
older couple who are camping

1479
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:38,000
you know did you see anything peculiar

1480
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,119
they're very

1481
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,880
uh skittish about

1482
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,960
not putting it right out there yeah

1483
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,839
so

1484
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,280
they said no you know we went to bed

1485
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,800
early and you know we didn't see

1486
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,319
anything so again

1487
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,599
this is part of the the

1488
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:54,400
the uh post-traumatic stress syndrome

1489
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,200
thing

1490
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:57,440
where you've had this experience

1491
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,119
that is absolutely life-altering

1492
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,640
and then you run into somebody that's

1493
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,200
five miles away they say well we didn't

1494
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,200
hear a thing you know we

1495
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,359
turned the radio on we didn't hear a

1496
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,240
thing

1497
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,880
so that's so jarring

1498
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,880
because you have this energy built up

1499
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
inside you that

1500
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,480
this incredible thing happened

1501
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,480
but no one knows about it and how do you

1502
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,960
tell someone about it

1503
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,079
so

1504
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,079
they uh drive home they feel like

1505
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,079
they're being followed

1506
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,760
you know interesting feeling to have

1507
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,920
that right that that sense of being

1508
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,079
watched you know even if nothing's there

1509
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,559
you just have that sentence exactly and

1510
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,240
they think they're being followed but

1511
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,440
again

1512
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,440
this could be part of the same syndrome

1513
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,359
but once you experience something like

1514
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,319
that you're so paranoid you're so into

1515
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,520
it that of course you're gonna feel like

1516
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,599
your father whether you are you aren't

1517
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
but they they had that that that

1518
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,359
terrible sensation

1519
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,040
and um

1520
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,559
really uh they they reluctantly tell

1521
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,319
their parents because their parents

1522
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,800
noticed something is horribly wrong

1523
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,040
and uh

1524
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,559
their parents said well i'm sure that

1525
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,800
you think you saw something you know

1526
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,880
that kind of thing you know i'm sure you

1527
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,880
believe this happened

1528
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,559
but that's the most patronizing and

1529
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,400
awful thing in the world right

1530
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,079
in other words it didn't really happen

1531
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,760
but i i believe that you think it

1532
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,720
happened

1533
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,960
and so they were terribly disturbed and

1534
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,480
disappointed

1535
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,480
that uh you know that that's kind of the

1536
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,800
way it came down they the parents knew

1537
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,920
something was

1538
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,160
really wrong with them but they they

1539
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,000
thought there was some misunderstanding

1540
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:36,480
that it was a desert x warfare exercise

1541
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:37,200
or

1542
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,200
think that what they said happened

1543
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,480
happened

1544
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,240
and that was that was really why they

1545
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,920
just shut up greed

1546
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,920
and they said you know our own parents

1547
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:49,200
believe this

1548
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:50,960
yeah that's what apollo 11's in the chat

1549
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,160
is saying it totally you know crazy

1550
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,280
that has to be so hard because you're

1551
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,400
opening like you said

1552
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,839
you'd hope right the closest ones your

1553
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,280
family that you could to

1554
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,960
to maybe share or say something and it's

1555
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,599
just kind of passed off as uh you know

1556
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,440
well i'm sure that's you know good for

1557
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,960
you that's true believe you know kind of

1558
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,920
deal and

1559
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,240
by the way larry congratulations on two

1560
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:12,240
months of being a doctor scientist

1561
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,200
member thank you very much for

1562
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,119
supporting the show thank you

1563
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,599
um yeah so i'm sure as this experience

1564
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:20,000
is coming to like i'm picturing in my

1565
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,880
mind

1566
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,480
um as you we've already referenced

1567
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,319
earlier and maybe a soldier coming home

1568
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,839
from war

1569
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,680
or you go to the hospital maybe you work

1570
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:29,200
in the medical field or anything like

1571
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,160
that where you've had this just

1572
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:32,319
absolutely traumatic experience just not

1573
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,280
even

1574
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,520
a couple hours ago and you go out and

1575
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,880
people are talking about they're upset

1576
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,079
because they had to stand on the line a

1577
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,599
little bit longer or something you know

1578
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,200
it's like it the issues of the world

1579
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,000
just don't matter anymore in comparison

1580
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,520
and i just try and imagine how they got

1581
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,119
back to everyday life you know well

1582
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,520
actually um they didn't they didn't get

1583
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,520
back to everyday life and as a matter of

1584
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,920
fact um they did have experiences in

1585
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:55,440
their own home

1586
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,920
um really yeah oh yeah absolutely um

1587
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,520
there's a couple i mean i actually i

1588
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,440
have to say i'm not

1589
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,520
blatantly trying to promote my book but

1590
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,119
but if you we should get the book i'm

1591
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,480
gonna drop the link again guys you

1592
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,000
should definitely get the book if you

1593
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,720
read the scene it's it's amazing because

1594
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,480
for example

1595
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,160
they're asleep

1596
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,720
and um they wake up

1597
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,200
and uh all of a sudden both of them want

1598
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,440
to make love

1599
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,400
really yeah so they they do

1600
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,400
but they're surrounded

1601
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,720
by these beings watching them making

1602
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,319
love around the bed

1603
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,240
in their own this is in their own home

1604
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,240
in their own home

1605
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,160
did they stop to convert to ask each

1606
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,799
other like are you seeing this or like

1607
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,640
i i think it was like it's it's sort of

1608
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,640
like robotic

1609
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:45,520
okay

1610
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,799
more so it was just it was just uh we're

1611
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,240
we're moving where we're being told to

1612
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,680
move at this point kind of kind of like

1613
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,040
when they went into the trailer and we

1614
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,680
had a gun exactly like that and another

1615
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,599
incident um

1616
00:56:03,510 --> 00:55:59,680
which is pretty terrifying

1617
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:03,520
steve jr who was i want to say

1618
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:04,559
four

1619
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,000
this is a different night

1620
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,520
three in the morning or so left out this

1621
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,040
awful scream

1622
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,599
it says screaming hysterically they both

1623
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:17,440
rush into the room and he's in the

1624
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:25,190
he's in the air spinning like a top yes

1625
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:26,079
so

1626
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,160
rushes to grab him

1627
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,119
embraces him and and he he goes don't

1628
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,440
don't ever leave i'm i'm scared don't

1629
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,359
leave don't leave the room unless you

1630
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,599
know she goes why why what happened she

1631
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,680
goes there are monsters so she go oh

1632
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,359
there are no monsters he goes no there

1633
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,880
are monsters they're little and they

1634
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,200
have red eyes

1635
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,280
what do you do as a parent you know like

1636
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,640
i said there there's been parts i've

1637
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,760
listened to this story i've read you

1638
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,520
know parts of the book as well where it

1639
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,960
truly breaks my heart like i said that

1640
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,319
experience of them being in the in the

1641
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:58,000
trailer and if you're just coming in it

1642
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:59,119
may be a chance to go back and listen

1643
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,079
you hear what the experience that they

1644
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,760
experienced there and then what we're

1645
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,720
going through right here which is in

1646
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,000
their own home now you'd hope in the

1647
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,839
sanctity of your home right right maybe

1648
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,520
that happened there but that was that

1649
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,599
place but now i'm in my home yeah and

1650
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,960
this is happening and now no longer just

1651
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,040
me now i have my you know i have you

1652
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,799
know i have a almost four year old

1653
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,160
upstairs right now myself i couldn't

1654
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,079
imagine the fear you know that they

1655
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,079
haven't have a bad dream let alone

1656
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:22,720
this what do you do with that absolutely

1657
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,400
and another situation at home so i just

1658
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,359
and which explains like what i got to

1659
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,040
when i got there and met them what

1660
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,400
they'd been through

1661
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,920
um

1662
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,000
again steve is

1663
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,359
half asleep

1664
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,640
they're in bed

1665
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,520
and um he sees

1666
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,079
a a being

1667
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,920
walk through the wall

1668
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,960
it's uh about four feet high

1669
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,559
um large eyes

1670
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,200
very standard to that no mouth to speak

1671
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,559
of a slit

1672
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,240
um big eyes

1673
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,799
um and lauren's head

1674
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,680
wearing a kind of suit a white suit and

1675
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,760
the white suit has an arrow in the

1676
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,880
center

1677
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:06,000
the chest

1678
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,359
that's um

1679
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,760
that's sort of a truncated arrow

1680
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,359
so if you looked at an arrow and took

1681
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,680
the the head of the arrow in the first

1682
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:15,920
the first couple of inches

1683
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,559
it's a red thing on that's on his like a

1684
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,520
kind of okay uniform

1685
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,280
and it's a solid blocked arrow with a

1686
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,799
little red dot basically at the tip of

1687
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,880
the arrow there and and

1688
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,720
it starts stroking

1689
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,799
dawn's face with its long elongated

1690
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,559
fingers so steve is seeing this in

1691
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,440
horror but paralyzed as he's watching

1692
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,119
and um

1693
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,200
uh

1694
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,760
dawn then gets up screaming

1695
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,680
she runs to the mirror

1696
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,720
and her face is covered with burns

1697
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,559
and so he gets a camera wants to take

1698
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,599
pictures of it and he does

1699
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,680
the pictures don't come out they're just

1700
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,799
blank

1701
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,200
and she's hysterical because she thinks

1702
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,119
he's been disfigured

1703
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,680
but the marks go away in the course of

1704
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,720
uh in the course of a few hours

1705
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,200
but again this is in your home

1706
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,839
this is the sanctity of your home and

1707
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:10,720
so

1708
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,559
post-traumatic stress syndrome or

1709
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,880
whatever but obviously

1710
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,920
this is much worse than that because it

1711
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,240
doesn't stop

1712
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,319
and yeah and when this is going on too

1713
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:26,400
if you don't want me asking if so are

1714
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:27,119
they

1715
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,640
have a a physician or a licensed person

1716
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:36,880
that's where paul moran the mutual

1717
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,680
okay friend comes in and this is about

1718
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,240
the time that i saw them

1719
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,880
and uh they kept having nightmares

1720
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,119
horrible nightmares about an abduction

1721
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,400
about being dragged onto the ufo

1722
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,839
and uh

1723
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,000
and they just bits and pieces that were

1724
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,440
terrifying

1725
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,880
and um

1726
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,559
so when i met them and got to know them

1727
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:59,920
i said you know and you know my

1728
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,319
background was sort of law enforcement

1729
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,400
so i'd worked with a lot of detectives

1730
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
to detective magazine and you know

1731
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,920
detectives working on the stories and

1732
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,680
whatnot i said we're going to handle

1733
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,920
this like an investigation

1734
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,240
so i'm going to get the best doctor that

1735
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,720
i know right that i can find so i had a

1736
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:18,240
roommate that was a

1737
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:19,440
georgetown

1738
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,319
who

1739
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,040
was a surgeon became a surgeon

1740
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,880
so i called him and talked to him in

1741
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,319
years so it was a pretty strange

1742
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,559
conversation call him up out of the blue

1743
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:30,480
everybody how's it going

1744
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,680
you know i have this situation

1745
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:34,960
so anyway

1746
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:37,359
he uh said i'll tell you you know he

1747
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,079
thought

1748
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,359
that after all these years i'm calling

1749
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,319
them about a ufo experience and you know

1750
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,119
but anyway i said i i want the best

1751
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,559
psychiatrist

1752
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,359
that you know of the most credible one

1753
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,280
and i'll pay them whatever

1754
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,040
they need

1755
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,119
hear the story they'll want to be

1756
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,280
involved so i told them the story and he

1757
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:00,960
said you know

1758
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,920
i could see why somebody would you know

1759
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:04,960
uh

1760
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,559
a guy like bernie vatone dr viton who is

1761
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,799
the director of the national center of

1762
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:14,079
psychiatry in washington dc agreed

1763
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,359
to study them

1764
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,920
to put them through a battery of tests

1765
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,839
and interviews

1766
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,319
and uh determine again whether they were

1767
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:24,480
prone to fantasy whether they were

1768
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:27,520
neurotic uh whether they were psychotic

1769
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:31,910
they were liars

1770
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,119
you know you know whether they were

1771
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,040
concerned about money making money in

1772
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,440
some sensational way and uh what he

1773
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,119
found was what i found

1774
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,720
was that there was no

1775
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,359
hint of neuroses there were the least

1776
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,960
he's a construction guy i mean you know

1777
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,880
like an architect kind of guy at least

1778
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,440
kind of fellow that's prone to fantasy

1779
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,119
and uh

1780
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,680
they were religious to a point

1781
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,440
not to a fanatical point they they went

1782
01:02:01,029 --> 01:02:00,000
to church they wrote it's in the church

1783
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:01,039
um so

1784
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:02,000
so

1785
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,520
they were really salt of the earth

1786
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,280
backbone of the country kind of people

1787
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,760
that's that's what he came up with no

1788
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,520
no psychosis no

1789
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,680
neurosis no uh

1790
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:13,839
no penchant for fantasy nothing like

1791
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,640
that yeah so then the next step

1792
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,640
and this was dr baton who you become

1793
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,960
sort of friends in the course of these

1794
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,799
things i said look i need the best

1795
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,119
retrogressive hypnotist

1796
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,920
that that you can think of or that you

1797
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,119
could find

1798
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,720
because it's got to be credible i don't

1799
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,480
i don't just want somebody i want

1800
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:34,079
somebody that's you know that's really

1801
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,200
reputable

1802
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,520
because what happened i went to medical

1803
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,880
school with a guy that works with the

1804
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,400
fbi

1805
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:42,640
then what he does is work with

1806
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,319
terrorists and assault victims rape

1807
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,839
victims and whatnot

1808
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:47,599
so traumatized

1809
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,480
they don't remember details of the crime

1810
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,319
or details of the situation so let's

1811
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:53,839
just say

1812
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,599
there's a terror attack

1813
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,359
and all i remember is an explosion

1814
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,359
because the rest is you know that

1815
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,440
overshadows everything yeah but through

1816
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,440
retrogressive hypnosis they actually

1817
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,400
bring that person back to that day and

1818
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,559
that moment in those moments and they

1819
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,440
can say oh there was a guy with a bag

1820
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,079
he put the bag down you know how tall

1821
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,920
was he what did he look like and then

1822
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,440
they get detail

1823
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,200
so that's that's what he was doing with

1824
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:22,720
the fbi

1825
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,839
and so uh fortunately we're very lucky

1826
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,799
he agreed to spend four days with them

1827
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,200
and so we flew to north carolina so he

1828
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,200
was he was pretty apprehensive at first

1829
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,359
right like he wasn't he he was oh yeah i

1830
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:38,000
mean i'm bored absolutely but but the

1831
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,280
good news is

1832
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:41,039
that i knew this one fellow who was a

1833
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:42,799
reputable surgeon

1834
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,760
who knew the director of psychiatry was

1835
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,839
a you know well-known guy

1836
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,680
who knew another guy so basically it's

1837
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,240
one credible guy i know you your friend

1838
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:54,160
maybe you want to help me out with this

1839
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:55,359
so

1840
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,400
even though

1841
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,200
the story itself was sort of fantastic

1842
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,680
um but you'd be amazed

1843
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,520
you'd be amazed

1844
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,559
how many people have had ufo experiences

1845
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,880
that don't talk about it very true if

1846
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:11,119
you just ask him right if you just ask

1847
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,400
him and by the way among these people

1848
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:16,960
they'd never said that but clearly they

1849
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,069
and it calls to mind one time

1850
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,400
i was doing an interview with uh some

1851
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,319
sort of disc jockeys

1852
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,559
and uh los angeles

1853
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,599
and um

1854
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,200
and so you know this is all

1855
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,280
this kind of banter that goes on you

1856
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,359
know early morning jokes and this that

1857
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,359
and the other back and forth and so i

1858
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:40,799
did this interview which was really a

1859
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,319
terrible place to get interviewed so

1860
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:45,839
they're making jokes

1861
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,240
sort of and finally uh i said you know

1862
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:52,160
i'll bet one of you has had an

1863
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,920
experience like this and you know there

1864
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:55,680
was a silence

1865
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,440
the jaw dropped and one guy said i did

1866
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,680
a whole tenor of the interview now

1867
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,319
here's a guy making fun of the situation

1868
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,839
making fun of me

1869
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,760
but then once you confront them and say

1870
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:09,839
i'll bet you had something

1871
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,039
similar to this and son of a gun he did

1872
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,440
the one didn't but the other did and i

1873
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,839
think there's many many people that have

1874
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,760
had situations like this you know jimmy

1875
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,240
carter the president former president

1876
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,000
had a year of trump ronald reagan had

1877
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,720
two ufo experiences

1878
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:29,119
air force pilots uh you know commercial

1879
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:30,640
air pilots

1880
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,280
and

1881
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:33,839
you know it's not something

1882
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,640
people are prone to talk about unless

1883
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,240
unless it's brought out of them but

1884
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,240
matter of fact he had didn't he he had

1885
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,000
it i apologize interjected but he had

1886
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:44,160
his experience with his wife too right a

1887
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,440
second experience whether it was ronald

1888
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,240
reagan i believe is that right i do yes

1889
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,400
this was in um lucille ball had an

1890
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:52,160
autobiography

1891
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,880
and

1892
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,720
reagan was mentioned in it

1893
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:56,880
and apparently there was an actor

1894
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,079
william holden okay having a party

1895
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,559
and so uh the reagans were invited

1896
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,880
lucille ball was there and i guess

1897
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,119
several others i can't think of offhand

1898
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,799
who else but

1899
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,680
celebrities yeah so the reagans uh

1900
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,319
showed up like an hour and a half late

1901
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,559
which is very unusual so ray was was one

1902
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,640
of those guys that he said i'll be there

1903
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,319
he was there at 8 o'clock

1904
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,760
so everybody's sort of surprised like

1905
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,280
what happened

1906
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,720
and they talked about following a ufo

1907
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,079
that they saw

1908
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,799
they actually followed it towards fresno

1909
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:31,760
i guess

1910
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:34,240
and um and it took out off like a bat

1911
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,359
out of hell

1912
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,599
you know just you know the you know that

1913
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:39,839
you've seen these these uh videos where

1914
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:41,119
you've seen these things saying have a

1915
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,359
tremendous acceleration yeah and um

1916
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,760
the interesting thing and lucille ball

1917
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,280
didn't say this other than to say that

1918
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:51,359
the reagans talked about it and that's

1919
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,799
why they were late

1920
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,200
but they were amazed that an hour and a

1921
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,240
half they were an hour and a half late

1922
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,400
they didn't even so it was confusing to

1923
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,000
them 15-minute

1924
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,920
15-minute excursion

1925
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,799
and so

1926
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,880
you could make a case

1927
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,480
that ronald reagan had an alien

1928
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,240
abduction experience with missing time

1929
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,240
how about that i really do there's so

1930
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,240
much with the presidents and i mean

1931
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,839
dwight eisenhower and some other ah

1932
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:17,599
there's a lot we could go with there but

1933
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,650
another time also

1934
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,079
[Laughter]

1935
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:22,319
so make a long story short in terms of

1936
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,280
the retrogressive hypnosis

1937
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:27,680
it was nothing short of stunning

1938
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,160
so they had been taking aboard the craft

1939
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,799
they were examined you know the

1940
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:35,200
the blood samples were taken

1941
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:44,069
both did they remember anything besides

1942
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,520
the physical examination do they

1943
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,359
remember being like any tests put in

1944
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,720
front of them any anything like that

1945
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,480
where they were doing anything can just

1946
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,880
anything besides that they remembered an

1947
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:55,359
instrument and dawn talked about an

1948
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:58,319
instrument pinching her with two probes

1949
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,119
and

1950
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,720
then had marks as a matter of fact

1951
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,319
during the hypnosis session she kept

1952
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,559
pawing at her at her

1953
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,160
at her neck

1954
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,160
and so annexed her the doctor

1955
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,359
said

1956
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,599
why are you doing that and she says

1957
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:12,880
probes

1958
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:16,000
and uh

1959
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,120
and um

1960
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:19,120
uh

1961
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,000
they talked about you know

1962
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,400
why were you involved in this what what

1963
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,560
do these beings want

1964
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,159
and uh

1965
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,679
one of the one of the things that came

1966
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:31,759
up which i thought was fascinating

1967
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:32,560
was

1968
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,520
um

1969
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,759
when will there be a contact you know

1970
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:37,520
communion between

1971
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,199
an alien civilization and and earth

1972
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,440
and um

1973
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,440
the doctor said

1974
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,600
let it be in my lifetime

1975
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,600
and under hypnosis dawn says how long

1976
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,600
will you live

1977
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,679
and he says would it be in my kid's

1978
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,799
lifetime

1979
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,080
and she said it will be in your

1980
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,679
children's lifetime

1981
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,520
and actually she started almost talking

1982
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:01,359
in a robotic voice as if it was

1983
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,480
channeled

1984
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,480
and then she said i know where the

1985
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:06,560
universe ends

1986
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,880
that's such a thing to like transit you

1987
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,319
know what i mean to go from that you

1988
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,400
know where the universe ends i jotted it

1989
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,159
down

1990
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,159
because i reverse

1991
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,719
things that matter and the things that

1992
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:23,520
matter stop mattering to us and start

1993
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,430
i want i mean

1994
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,960
i okay so i have found this unique um

1995
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:34,719
because we there's so many that try to

1996
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,600
talk about like they know where the end

1997
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,600
of the unit we

1998
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:38,960
getting close to seeing the edge of the

1999
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,640
universe so that it's ever expanding

2000
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,159
i don't know i have mixed feelings and

2001
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,920
when you hear stuff like this

2002
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:47,040
it makes you wonder if they're saying

2003
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,400
well their universe

2004
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,799
begins where ours ends

2005
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,199
that would imply that we're not ever

2006
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,199
expanding perhaps

2007
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,800
and maybe there really is an end because

2008
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,840
they always tell us right we could never

2009
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,199
see the end of it by the time we see the

2010
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,400
end of it it's the end of time because

2011
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,159
then the light would never will never

2012
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,640
catch the enemy i think i think if you

2013
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,960
examine it it's a very complex sort of

2014
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:09,600
statement yeah and if you rattled it off

2015
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,880
like staccato you know like robotic

2016
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:14,080
the universe

2017
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:14,880
and

2018
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,679
when the things that matter

2019
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:19,840
stop mattering so you see matter like

2020
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,480
physical matter and then mattering like

2021
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,120
i'm this matters to me so it's a very

2022
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:27,440
nice much uh play on words when the

2023
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,520
things that matter stop mattering to us

2024
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,600
stop mattering to us and start mattering

2025
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,239
to them so in other words

2026
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,400
when important things the important

2027
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,760
things about life and the planet etc

2028
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:43,679
stop mattering to us we don't care about

2029
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,560
it

2030
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:46,320
that's when they'll start caring about

2031
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,040
it

2032
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:49,520
which yeah and i wondered you know do

2033
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,640
you think that in two ways do you say

2034
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,960
that do they mean very literalism like

2035
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,800
when we're ready to destroy you know

2036
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,480
maybe this planet then then that's when

2037
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:57,840
they're gonna care when we stop caring

2038
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,120
about that's when they're gonna it'll

2039
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,120
matter or is it

2040
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,800
until that moment

2041
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,000
that

2042
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,239
there will be no intervening perhaps

2043
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:08,320
perhaps it's you know i i don't really

2044
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,600
know i i

2045
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,360
i know she said a bit more too on this

2046
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,520
as far as um because i believe you got

2047
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,640
to ask some questions and you you were

2048
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,159
given out because you were there when

2049
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:18,239
this was taking place which had been

2050
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,679
again if you weren't there do you think

2051
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,880
you mean be honest do you think if

2052
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,480
you're reading this or if you're

2053
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:24,000
just somebody that you knew at the bar

2054
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,280
that you generally knew just told you

2055
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,960
this do you think you'd believe it i'll

2056
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,719
tell you where i would be

2057
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,800
i would be like in the beginning when

2058
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:32,480
you're talking about

2059
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,199
different kinds of beings and spaceships

2060
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:38,560
i would be very skeptical until

2061
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,760
until i went to the hypnotic sessions

2062
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,600
because the hypnotic sessions are

2063
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,560
incredibly specific she talks about five

2064
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:49,440
galaxies she talks about the the one

2065
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,120
as a kind of leader or a kind of god

2066
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:55,679
and so yeah actually actually

2067
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:58,400
annistor says so the one is this a kind

2068
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,760
of leader and really strongly she says

2069
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,040
it's a kind of god like that

2070
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,840
it's a kind of god you know i i wonder

2071
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,320
too if you know maybe if she was

2072
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,159
you know channeling or whatever might

2073
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,679
have been going on that was the definite

2074
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,000
impression i got yeah it just makes you

2075
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,760
wonder if that you know

2076
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,520
okay i i've heard this talked about

2077
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:21,280
before um

2078
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,960
obviously i know that you know the sr

2079
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,080
crew and you know dave scott and those

2080
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:26,080
are over there and lynn does a great

2081
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,600
show too and she's talked about this a

2082
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:29,440
couple times with samantha moat and if

2083
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,480
you have never looked her up you should

2084
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:32,080
look into her a little bit but

2085
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:34,000
she talked about the idea that why a lot

2086
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,440
of these um

2087
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,199
encounters almost deal with something

2088
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,440
telepathic is because we

2089
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,000
lack the vocabulary

2090
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,000
to express uh

2091
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,679
everything that's going on so sometimes

2092
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,960
when these words come through that we're

2093
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,719
kind of like looking at we're like it's

2094
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,920
just like the best way that they can

2095
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:51,760
express it to us and we're just missing

2096
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,080
it it's our vocabulary it's too limited

2097
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:56,400
it could be very literal what she said

2098
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,679
you know with the whole idea i don't

2099
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,679
think that it's like a god statement is

2100
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,520
i think that's as literal as you can get

2101
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,280
yeah but going back to that whole you

2102
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,440
know their universe ends and i believe

2103
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,960
she hit on the idea of like the five

2104
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,040
galaxies right

2105
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,560
he's trying to they're trying to unite

2106
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,400
the five galaxies which seems like a

2107
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,480
direct statement that isn't i don't know

2108
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:17,040
if that's is it hinting

2109
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,320
i don't know i don't think it's

2110
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,800
metaphorical i think it's real

2111
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,520
well

2112
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,840
part for those who might be listening

2113
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:24,960
this might be their first time hearing

2114
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:28,320
so she she says it's like a god um

2115
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,920
and then i do i don't remember if it was

2116
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,120
prior to that or just after where she

2117
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:33,280
gets hitting at this idea of

2118
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,640
he said well where are the galaxies and

2119
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,480
they said that's where theirs began

2120
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,080
and then we how did we end up at this

2121
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,760
idea even coming to the conclusion of

2122
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,960
hearing this idea that there might be

2123
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,800
five galaxies

2124
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,960
um she was told that

2125
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,560
okay so this is when she was on the

2126
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,480
craft or something downloaded for her

2127
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,400
yes this actually you said channeling

2128
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,239
and that's what it was to me

2129
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,159
all of a sudden a sort of gentle

2130
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:57,280
whispery voice becomes a very direct

2131
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,080
robotic kind of voice and you know it

2132
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,320
put all of us on the edge of our seat

2133
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,560
because she sits forward

2134
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,440
she sits straight up it's a different um

2135
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:10,400
demeanor entirely and so

2136
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:11,760
and so yeah the

2137
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,520
strong impression we got is that she was

2138
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,719
somebody else was speaking through her

2139
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,920
yeah

2140
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:20,640
i

2141
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,960
one

2142
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:35,280
um session i guess because a lot came

2143
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:36,239
out there

2144
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,520
is this the same session where the

2145
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,600
gentleman he basically

2146
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:41,040
was was this where he just wanted to go

2147
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,480
home he kind of broke down or was this

2148
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,400
prior to that no no no

2149
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,520
there were two days they did separately

2150
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:49,199
two different uh

2151
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,880
so one was in one room one was in

2152
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:53,040
another room and that happened for two

2153
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,800
days so they were probably about 10

2154
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,520
hours with each

2155
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,760
so they purposely i mean and here's the

2156
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,360
thing you know we always talk about well

2157
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,040
could we do we know how well is the

2158
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,800
story i mean these it sounds like the

2159
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,040
way you guys went about this

2160
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,880
i mean i don't know how much more

2161
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,000
professionally you guys could have gone

2162
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,480
about as far as uh really vetting the

2163
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,080
story to the best of the abilities that

2164
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:16,000
we could polygraph

2165
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:16,719
you know

2166
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:21,600
um dawn was pregnant shortly after the

2167
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:22,840
experience

2168
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:26,480
really and um they were very concerned

2169
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,920
you know about uh the child and whatnot

2170
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,960
but um

2171
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:31,840
yeah

2172
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,159
you know intentionally that way to

2173
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,800
compare the stories to see if in a pinch

2174
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,880
this is you know what detectives do you

2175
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,120
tell your cider and i tell my side and

2176
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,960
supposedly if we're both telling the

2177
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,560
truth and we saw the same thing there'll

2178
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:49,760
be variations but the basic story and

2179
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,040
certain details will be uh you know will

2180
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,280
be the same and these stories you know

2181
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,640
matched they were just from two

2182
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,239
different points of view

2183
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,480
but uh yeah that's true uh

2184
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,159
at one point

2185
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:04,320
they were both like screaming

2186
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:05,520
uh

2187
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,880
crying

2188
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:08,640
um you know this these were this was

2189
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,080
real trauma and uh yeah i mean basically

2190
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,000
uh steve just said you know this is

2191
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,239
under hypnosis yeah i want to go home i

2192
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,159
just want to go home but he was talking

2193
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:20,239
about being on the crowd right when he

2194
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,760
was okay

2195
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,040
poor guy

2196
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,719
yeah yeah i just

2197
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,880
you know i i don't think that

2198
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:29,199
again and i and we've talked about this

2199
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,239
in the chat here a little bit tonight

2200
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:33,040
apollo's mentioned it um here apollo 11

2201
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,320
and some other ones saying that

2202
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,320
sometimes in the community um

2203
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:38,159
that is that's not necessarily i don't

2204
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,360
think intentionally i get we don't want

2205
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:41,520
to dwell on saying negative things or

2206
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,880
people perceive it as a negative thing

2207
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,360
and i'm not necessarily saying that this

2208
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,880
experience that they

2209
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,159
they certainly seem to have made the

2210
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:50,000
best of it going forward

2211
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:51,520
but it was

2212
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:55,120
it my interpretation of it a bit of a

2213
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,640
negative experience it was not exactly a

2214
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,320
positive thing

2215
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,120
um at least initially

2216
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,520
except for the except for the you know

2217
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,120
that this is the thing i'm not a

2218
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,440
particularly religious fellow so yeah so

2219
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:11,120
just understand that

2220
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:12,719
but

2221
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,199
overtones to this now

2222
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,669
religion

2223
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,440
and science are just a matter of

2224
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:25,360
interpretation

2225
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,679
mean how we look at the story while

2226
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:31,520
we're listening to it so a religious

2227
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:32,480
person

2228
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:35,600
sees something that a scientist sees

2229
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,120
they'll explain it in a totally

2230
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,960
different way they saw this exactly the

2231
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,719
same thing but it's a different prism

2232
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:42,239
that they're putting the experience

2233
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,760
through differently and so

2234
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,760
i wonder sometimes

2235
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:48,880
if

2236
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:52,560
science is correct you europologists

2237
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:53,920
are correct

2238
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,239
that these things happen they're just

2239
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,239
interpreted in a different way so for

2240
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,239
example you call it the one or a supreme

2241
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,960
leader or whatever i call it god yeah

2242
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,800
you know i mean these are just semantics

2243
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,400
at the end of the day

2244
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,640
what what happened was that there was

2245
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:12,640
this angelic presence

2246
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,719
the comforter that they had that really

2247
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:16,880
calmed things that seemed to control

2248
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,840
things that that that hovered above so

2249
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,840
if the gremlins were on some

2250
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,600
weird

2251
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,199
demonic level

2252
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,520
the scientists were on a illuminated

2253
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:29,679
figures on a sort of scientific logical

2254
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,560
level

2255
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,480
and then above that is this kind of

2256
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,679
comforter

2257
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:36,320
who who puts things to rest so from

2258
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,149
they turned to religion afterwards

2259
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,360
okay uh found sucre comfort

2260
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:48,400
in that and the interpretation that uh

2261
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,440
that came

2262
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:51,679
out was that they had had a kind of

2263
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,080
demonic possession situation where there

2264
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,480
was a again a a

2265
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,360
godlike or angelic

2266
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,239
situation the gremlins etc and that

2267
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:04,000
there were two poles one that was

2268
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:05,199
violent and

2269
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,040
and ugly and the other that that was um

2270
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,960
beatific

2271
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,159
yeah cause you said quite literally

2272
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,920
their faces had almost a leathery kind

2273
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,360
of look the ones with the red eyes

2274
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,120
correct yeah the way you might describe

2275
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:19,600
a demon in medieval times

2276
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,640
yeah

2277
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:23,440
so so i mean i i don't know what to make

2278
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,120
of it beyond telling you the story

2279
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,960
but i think

2280
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:30,320
i think that

2281
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,120
eight hours ten hours

2282
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:37,679
a curtain was pulled

2283
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,719
and a whole new level of existence

2284
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:41,679
was

2285
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:46,560
and the hesses saw it

2286
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:52,070
you know i would love to ask you this

2287
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:53,600
too um

2288
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,560
with this so after this the going back

2289
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,800
to the initial regression here

2290
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,199
when that finished up and they they

2291
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:03,120
obviously i might ask okay too if it's

2292
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,719
okay to ask one i guess i'm just gonna

2293
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,800
ask is they knew you were writing a book

2294
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,880
right i mean did they know okay

2295
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,920
now

2296
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:12,080
leading up to its release what was the

2297
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,600
process like that for them did they have

2298
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,760
a lot of anxiety about this i mean the

2299
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,280
the this is going to be coming more

2300
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,280
public and how did they handle that

2301
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:20,960
exactly well they only though they

2302
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:23,199
didn't i mean we had a uh

2303
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:24,639
pseudonym

2304
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,560
okay deserve their their anonymity yeah

2305
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,400
and uh so that was one thing that i

2306
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:32,960
guaranteed them and lived up to that

2307
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,440
they came forward finally

2308
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,960
of their own volition

2309
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,920
you know

2310
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,600
much later

2311
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,520
i let them read everything that i wrote

2312
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,600
almost page by page

2313
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,360
right so that

2314
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:47,199
it was accurate

2315
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,960
and um

2316
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,000
and i think at the end i think i think

2317
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,000
a couple things came out of this i think

2318
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:56,239
that for them it was uh cathartic i

2319
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,280
think that

2320
01:21:01,189 --> 01:21:00,239
it was a release of this horrible secret

2321
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,199
that they

2322
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,120
they held inside

2323
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:04,560
that they were finally able to

2324
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,920
communicate

2325
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,040
so i think

2326
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,280
in that sense it was very positive

2327
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,880
certainly very positive

2328
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,280
from another standpoint as i said they

2329
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:16,320
gravitated towards the mormon church

2330
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,199
they

2331
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:19,199
told this story to the bishop et cetera

2332
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,480
who had obviously a different

2333
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,080
interpretation than what you're talking

2334
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,560
about right nobody else might have

2335
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:26,159
but um

2336
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,040
uh

2337
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,440
they they what they found was that this

2338
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,600
reinforced their

2339
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,920
their religious beliefs

2340
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,920
in sort of good and evil and the fact

2341
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,679
that there's a spiritual world the fact

2342
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,800
that there's a

2343
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,520
a universe out there that that is unlike

2344
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:43,600
the one that we live in the fact that

2345
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:44,400
our

2346
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:50,320
very very limited

2347
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,520
so

2348
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,320
uh

2349
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:54,880
i would say in the end

2350
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,280
would they say gee i want my kids to go

2351
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,800
through this too or i want my best

2352
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:01,120
friend to go through i don't think so

2353
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,400
but in the end

2354
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,880
i think what they found was a kind of i

2355
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,120
don't want to say salvation but a kind

2356
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,520
of um

2357
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:11,840
uh

2358
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:14,560
gratification a kind of satisfaction

2359
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,239
something like that i'm sure some

2360
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,080
validation too

2361
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,320
come out of this you know i mean

2362
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:22,000
yeah with the amount of i mean even

2363
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,960
family

2364
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,560
kind of denying you and well i'm sure

2365
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,639
that's what you thought you experienced

2366
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,199
and to have these things such i mean

2367
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,000
deeply personal things in your home

2368
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,719
happening to you i can't imagine

2369
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:37,199
the anxiety the fear

2370
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,480
the unknown

2371
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,760
um

2372
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,000
again i know there's been some question

2373
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,320
and and and uh

2374
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,639
people hypothesizing around the the

2375
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:49,679
birth time of that child you know

2376
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:50,800
is that something that they ever

2377
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:51,920
addressed with you or brought up

2378
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,719
concerns with you even at least not too

2379
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:56,480
much i think there was just a couple of

2380
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:57,679
things that

2381
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:58,639
um

2382
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,480
i think we both we all stayed away from

2383
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:04,320
you know i think it gets too personal at

2384
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:05,600
some point in time do you know i mean

2385
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,080
yeah yeah absolutely i just didn't know

2386
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,520
if they had ever mentioned anything that

2387
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,120
way because i know they were

2388
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,280
they were very concerned about the about

2389
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,040
the child the birth of the child

2390
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,679
yeah there was an incident in the camper

2391
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,520
which i didn't mention

2392
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,600
uh and the story is more intricate than

2393
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,840
obviously i'm able to tell you in a an

2394
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,840
interview like this but

2395
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,000
one of the illuminated figures

2396
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,000
tossed from its fingertip

2397
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,639
something through the glass and into her

2398
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,560
stomach into her abdomen

2399
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,080
a kind of um

2400
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,080
if you if you talked about

2401
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:40,719
the lit part of a cigarette yeah like

2402
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,000
the the the the ember as it were

2403
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,159
and which went into her which went into

2404
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:48,560
her uh abdomen

2405
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:50,080
and uh

2406
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:53,199
between that and the experience they had

2407
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,560
um

2408
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:56,320
in their in their bed in their home

2409
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,360
where they felt like they were

2410
01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:00,000
surrounded by these being watched they

2411
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:01,120
they

2412
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:04,880
that in some way

2413
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,229
there was some some consternation over

2414
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,120
that some anxiety over that let's say

2415
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:17,120
do you think too i mean obviously we got

2416
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,159
a question here in just a second from

2417
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,480
apollo 11 who asked by the way did the

2418
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,280
couple have any ideas on why it happened

2419
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:26,560
to them were they in a unique place in

2420
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,120
life at the time what attributes

2421
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,679
attracted the experience so do you have

2422
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,440
any feelings and or thoughts about that

2423
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,080
yeah i i think that um steve

2424
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:38,000
uh had this experience

2425
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,280
like when he was

2426
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,520
a kid nine years old or so remember i

2427
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:43,440
mentioned that so i mean that's not

2428
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,560
uncommon either in these stories where

2429
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:48,480
basically people are followed

2430
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,000
and if you think again getting back to

2431
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,800
the idea of scientists i mean we tag

2432
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,199
animals right we tag them certainly and

2433
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,400
we follow their their life follow how

2434
01:25:01,430 --> 01:25:00,560
they eat we follow how they breed we

2435
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,440
follow

2436
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,360
you know how they develop

2437
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,600
and um

2438
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:07,920
i mean if i had to take a stab at it

2439
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,639
i think that steve was somehow

2440
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:12,400
uh tagged

2441
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,520
i think

2442
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,960
that's that's one angle the other is it

2443
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,040
was just a giant coincidence that they

2444
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:18,719
were they were they're only hiding

2445
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,440
expedition yeah they're maybe refueling

2446
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:23,760
their craft maybe a mine literal mining

2447
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,280
exhibition and

2448
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:27,520
this happened to be the coincidence that

2449
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,560
happened in the and and from the aliens

2450
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,080
standpoint

2451
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:33,920
let's make the most of it

2452
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:34,880
right

2453
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:38,000
so but i would i would more lean towards

2454
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,880
the

2455
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,480
following

2456
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,040
the life of uh of an individual

2457
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:45,040
now did she have any experiences when

2458
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,320
she was younger i forgot to ask you

2459
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:48,080
about that when you mentioned it with me

2460
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,440
not that i'm aware i'm not that you ever

2461
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,320
tell me about so i did ask but so i i

2462
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,639
guess the answer is no okay so her first

2463
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,520
encounter was essentially with what took

2464
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,520
place there more than the desert

2465
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:01,840
interestingly enough as soon as they

2466
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,480
emerged from hypnosis and realized where

2467
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:06,960
they were dawn looked at dr anixter and

2468
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:09,280
said are we crazy

2469
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,400
um

2470
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,920
so even in that moment even with all

2471
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:14,639
that confirmation you know again well

2472
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,199
let me actually carefully word this

2473
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,639
um

2474
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:19,920
i

2475
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,880
allow

2476
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,560
the whole conceptual idea that it did

2477
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,880
take place you're always constantly

2478
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,639
questioning did this really really

2479
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,480
happen right and i just think that

2480
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,400
preaches volumes to

2481
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,360
this particular case and the uh

2482
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:00,880
the

2483
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:03,280
solidifying in my mind as a real

2484
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,639
encounter because it's something that

2485
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,239
they still to this at least in that

2486
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,719
moment in time we're still questioning

2487
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:10,560
you know are we crazy i have to be crazy

2488
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,159
right that that was more plausible to

2489
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,639
them than going to this yeah i thought

2490
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:16,159
that's what makes this story so real to

2491
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:21,669
a question here by the way uh from

2492
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,800
ufologists thank you for being in the

2493
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:24,080
chat here tonight and by the way guys

2494
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,760
anyone else who has any questions please

2495
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,440
feel feel free to fire them aways we

2496
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:29,920
have ron just for a little less than a

2497
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:32,000
half hour here or 20 minutes or so and

2498
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,040
he'll be getting out of here we'll be

2499
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,360
getting over to sohar with dave scott um

2500
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,960
also too i want to make it clear tammy

2501
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:38,080
brought a good point anybody that might

2502
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,120
be watching especially when we're

2503
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,960
talking about a series subject like this

2504
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,440
uh here in the uh the page of the the

2505
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:46,000
podcast here if someone says sus uh it

2506
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:47,520
is something we started around here we

2507
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,639
take a drink of whatever we're drinking

2508
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,760
that night so please don't think we're

2509
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:51,120
cheering to anything that might be going

2510
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,239
on that way it's just something we do

2511
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,000
here in the chat so if you see hashtag

2512
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,000
sauce take a drink of water whatever

2513
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,920
favorite beverage you have in your hand

2514
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:59,679
um ufologist has a question that says

2515
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,719
question has ron had his own sighting

2516
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:04,800
you know i would say no except it

2517
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:06,560
wouldn't be exactly true

2518
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:07,600
okay

2519
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,239
it wasn't a sighting but i can tell you

2520
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:12,000
and this was prior to

2521
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,120
to

2522
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,510
15 years okay

2523
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:21,520
i was living on the jersey shore at the

2524
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:22,320
time

2525
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,520
and

2526
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,440
i had a dog

2527
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,639
and so

2528
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,040
in my dream i had a dream

2529
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,199
very vivid dream

2530
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:33,920
there was a pond not far from where

2531
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,040
my house was the ocean was

2532
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,679
in one direction the house was here and

2533
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:41,520
then there was a pond

2534
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,840
near my house so i was walking the dog

2535
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,800
which i did regularly of course yeah and

2536
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,159
um

2537
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:50,639
we stop at the pond

2538
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:53,199
and in the pond maybe

2539
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,880
15 feet below the surface on the the bed

2540
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:58,080
of the pond

2541
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,520
is this uh

2542
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:02,800
object a glowing object maybe

2543
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,080
maybe 30 feet in diameter

2544
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,790
i stopped

2545
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,400
in the dream

2546
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,159
and i thought about it for quite some

2547
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:15,760
time

2548
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,960
and i decided to jump in the water

2549
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,040
really i did

2550
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,960
and when i jumped in the water i wound

2551
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,440
up inside this spacecraft

2552
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:27,120
totally dry

2553
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,639
and

2554
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,880
there were these beings

2555
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,800
that took me around

2556
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,800
and showed me their equipment

2557
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:37,199
and showed me like maps and i remember

2558
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,560
it very vividly i could you know

2559
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:41,120
probably draw the interior of this thing

2560
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:44,480
and um i remember my watch i had a watch

2561
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,920
and the watch

2562
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,600
stopped

2563
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,440
and um

2564
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,960
and

2565
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,120
it was a very pleasant experience by the

2566
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:55,040
way just contrary to

2567
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,400
what i've just been telling you yeah

2568
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,400
yeah we've been discussing tonight right

2569
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:00,480
a very very pleasant experience it was a

2570
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:03,280
learning experience it was a deeply

2571
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,320
um

2572
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,400
satisfying experience

2573
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,400
and i felt very privileged

2574
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,920
and um

2575
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:11,600
next thing i knew i was on

2576
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,639
on the

2577
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,120
sidewalk again with my dog

2578
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,880
and uh

2579
01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:18,560
this thing blinked out

2580
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:20,080
and i continued my walk that was the

2581
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,960
dream

2582
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,639
but i have to tell you

2583
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,400
i've never had an experience like that

2584
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:26,400
because i would say for a month after

2585
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:27,120
that

2586
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,880
i had this incredible euphoria

2587
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,320
i just felt

2588
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:35,360
like amazingly

2589
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,080
uh blessed amazingly

2590
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,520
uh

2591
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:41,600
um privileged

2592
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,800
happy

2593
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,960
and um so that that would be i don't

2594
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:46,960
know if that counts as a ufo experience

2595
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,679
but but that and i would bet and then

2596
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,920
really if i had to do over again

2597
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,360
i would have asked annexed her to

2598
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,920
retrogress me

2599
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:57,600
call him up i mean well i don't know

2600
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,440
yeah so he called sort of this i'm sure

2601
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,880
i would have asked him to retrogress me

2602
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,360
because i'm convinced

2603
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:04,800
that if he did

2604
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:07,600
there was there was something um

2605
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:08,480
very

2606
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:13,199
that dream it was unlike yeah yeah

2607
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,320
you know ron

2608
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:16,400
and again i i always emphasize this i

2609
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,360
i'm such a rookie and padawan in this in

2610
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:21,600
this whole field in general um so i

2611
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,400
don't i don't ever express any of my my

2612
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,080
opinions are but my they're that they're

2613
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:28,560
simply my observations opinions but i

2614
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:29,760
had someone say it to me once and it

2615
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,480
really stuck with me which was uh you

2616
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:34,080
know most people we kind of talked about

2617
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,800
this in the very beginning of the show

2618
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:36,080
bringing a full circle so we come near

2619
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:38,000
the end or getting there um once again

2620
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,440
guys any questions please fire aways

2621
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:41,199
west has got one for us coming up which

2622
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,880
is that none of us ever really picked

2623
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:45,360
this field it's it's almost picked us

2624
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,280
and it's funny how

2625
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,120
people that end up working in this field

2626
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,600
at all or doing any any any

2627
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,520
any sort of uh

2628
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:55,199
contribution to it

2629
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:58,320
have had an experience of some sort uh

2630
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,679
even if they don't know about it yet

2631
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:00,960
like yeah i can definitely relate to you

2632
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:03,040
talk about far as being a dream yeah uh

2633
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:04,480
because that's how and always people

2634
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,679
have asked me about your experience or

2635
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,880
something i would say not in the sense

2636
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,560
that some people have like this this is

2637
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,080
you know for the hesses and stuff it's

2638
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,639
it's not a question right um

2639
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,920
when you have something that's just

2640
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,679
dreams that's it's it's a very different

2641
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,199
thing because in your head you're still

2642
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:19,120
rational you go it's a dream

2643
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:21,760
and uh it's a very very tricky thing

2644
01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:24,320
that our minds do to themselves and uh

2645
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,360
so i can relate to you a little bit on

2646
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:26,960
that far is that it kind of being back

2647
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:28,159
and forth but yeah you should definitely

2648
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,199
look into one day if you're ever

2649
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:32,000
comfortable with it

2650
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,920
you know it actually has come to me

2651
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:35,840
actually when people have asked me that

2652
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,030
any time before maybe a year ago

2653
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:42,639
i would say no

2654
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,000
but then

2655
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:45,760
then i was thinking about it you know

2656
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,360
and i said you know

2657
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:49,679
that's a ufo experience i mean that's

2658
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:51,120
this was something you know sort of

2659
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,120
profound so uh

2660
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,760
who knows yeah

2661
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:57,440
um we have another question here by the

2662
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,880
way from west h and you guys like i said

2663
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,239
put any questions you have for ron for

2664
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,600
the last couple minutes we have them

2665
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:04,000
here says does ron have any more detail

2666
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:06,080
about the in quotation marks savior

2667
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,280
unquote

2668
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:09,360
or comforter being that seemed to want

2669
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:11,679
to help the couple more of her

2670
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,120
appearance did they see her again

2671
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,280
yeah to my knowledge no that it wasn't

2672
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:19,600
uh they didn't see her again but this is

2673
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,239
the way it was described

2674
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,920
that they looked in the sky and it was

2675
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:25,760
like this swirling

2676
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,159
clouds

2677
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,880
came to form this angelic presence

2678
01:33:34,229 --> 01:33:32,880
and unmist

2679
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,239
unmistakable

2680
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:36,880
and unmistakably feminine

2681
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:40,320
and unmistakably uh

2682
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:41,840
formed

2683
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,320
wings literally an angel an angel as you

2684
01:33:52,149 --> 01:33:47,440
would uh

2685
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:52,159
a biblical uh

2686
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,360
picture or a painting or something um

2687
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,360
voice was very soothing and that's why

2688
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:59,120
they called it a comforter

2689
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,800
and um

2690
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,360
and it seemed to be again there seem to

2691
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:05,440
be sort of grades or levels to these

2692
01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:08,639
beings the gremlins being the most um

2693
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:16,830
non-intellectual very physical very

2694
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,830
malevolent the the uh illuminated

2695
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:20,880
figures

2696
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:23,199
uh clearly unemotional

2697
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:26,480
clearly studying examining

2698
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,520
then this uh angelic presence

2699
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:33,199
who who seemed um

2700
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:34,880
uh

2701
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,080
gentle

2702
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:38,880
right and in control in control of the

2703
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:40,800
other situations

2704
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:43,760
above them in some way

2705
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,199
i don't know if you've ever heard of

2706
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:47,760
this gentleman before now but um mr

2707
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,119
terry lovelace have you ever heard of

2708
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,440
him the incident devil's den you should

2709
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:52,560
look into that one you might enjoy

2710
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:53,679
having a good conversation with him

2711
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:54,719
about it but

2712
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:58,080
he um he had a situation a similar ish

2713
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,639
to this with a again camping with a you

2714
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:02,239
know back in the day military and

2715
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:03,520
anyways um

2716
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,080
he said that he often thinks back to his

2717
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:07,760
encounter he was on the craft when he

2718
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,520
had an encounter with a mantis being who

2719
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,520
was kind of doing this procedure on him

2720
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:13,040
and he said i often think if i could

2721
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:14,239
just have a beer with him sit on the

2722
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:16,480
back porch he would just lean over we'd

2723
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,679
clink her beers and he'd say no hard

2724
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:19,760
feelings i was just doing my job yeah no

2725
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,280
that was that was his impression because

2726
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:23,040
terry was trying to you know argue back

2727
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:24,560
and fight with him and tell him even

2728
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,000
tell him you're hurting me he was very

2729
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:28,400
upset and he basically just touched him

2730
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,440
on the head and he went out and went to

2731
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,679
sleep but he said it was just this very

2732
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,600
the the no emotion

2733
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:35,440
you know kind of involvement there

2734
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,719
that's exactly the way they would

2735
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:38,239
describe the illuminated figures and

2736
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,520
again i would look at it like a

2737
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,520
scientist it's not necessarily

2738
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,800
um

2739
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,320
evil or

2740
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,239
it's it's a scientific point of view so

2741
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,880
if somebody dissects a frog

2742
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,639
i mean is this an evil person for

2743
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:52,239
dissecting a frog

2744
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:54,639
well from the frog's point of view yeah

2745
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,239
yeah you're pretty you're pretty evil in

2746
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,000
his book right

2747
01:36:01,510 --> 01:35:59,760
uh there was a question it was brought

2748
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,520
up let me see if i can find it i believe

2749
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:03,679
atkins asked it earlier

2750
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,639
uh in regards to

2751
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:08,320
i don't see it's not coming up there but

2752
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:09,679
they basically are asking your opinion

2753
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,600
do you think that we're kind of in a um

2754
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,360
you know like the whole zoo scenario

2755
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,199
that's been hypothesized before that

2756
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,920
perhaps we're just kind of this uh

2757
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,920
species that's being observed even if

2758
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:23,600
we're not being controlled but at least

2759
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:26,080
being observed and guided i mean what

2760
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,199
are your thoughts i guess i know it's a

2761
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,520
little bit broad but yeah i i'll say two

2762
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:32,320
things one i think that um

2763
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,000
that

2764
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,480
there's been a desensitization process

2765
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,520
that's going on started maybe in the 40s

2766
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:41,840
and who knows maybe way way before that

2767
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,320
but clearly things are progressing

2768
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:46,480
things are moving rapidly i would agree

2769
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,880
with that towards an encounter if you

2770
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:50,880
asked 20 years ago how many people

2771
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,679
believe the earth was visited by um by

2772
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:55,440
beings from another

2773
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,560
universe

2774
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:58,480
probably 10 percent of the people would

2775
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:00,639
say uh yeah i believe that 90 percent

2776
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,119
would say no it's nonsense

2777
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,040
today if you ask that question it would

2778
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:07,600
probably be something like 50 50. it's a

2779
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,719
huge huge paradigm shift in the way

2780
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:12,719
people view uh

2781
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:14,400
you know view the world and the

2782
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,159
possibility so i think

2783
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,239
we're moving towards

2784
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:20,480
a kind of um

2785
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:21,600
a kind of

2786
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:26,159
a global level

2787
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:26,960
so

2788
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:28,080
i don't know if that answered your

2789
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:30,239
question exactly yeah and basically it

2790
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,360
said too they were wondering if we were

2791
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,800
like as they were saying perhaps for

2792
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,119
some side of a wildlife reserve you know

2793
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,800
yeah no i don't think it's like that i

2794
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,480
think that um

2795
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:39,760
and this

2796
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,639
uh

2797
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,000
this is something i've just been reading

2798
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,440
i just read a great book called

2799
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:46,080
bewilderment one pulitzer prize

2800
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,280
but

2801
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,199
basically it was written by a an

2802
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:51,119
astrobiologist

2803
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,310
ten years ago or so the idea was there's

2804
01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:59,040
there's billions of stars billions of

2805
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:02,000
perhaps galaxies and universes on top of

2806
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:04,239
universes but i i

2807
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:05,360
think

2808
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:07,840
more and more as scientists study

2809
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,480
what it takes to create a human being a

2810
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:11,920
human brain

2811
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:12,800
you know

2812
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,760
that we are rather unique creatures

2813
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,480
that we're really uh unique

2814
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:20,880
i i think that um

2815
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,159
that it's very possible as uh francis

2816
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,719
crick says that we're sort of the uh the

2817
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:29,119
progeny the the the

2818
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:30,560
the children

2819
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,679
of uh of another race

2820
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,760
and an extraterrestrial race so for

2821
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,440
example crick said

2822
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:39,360
the odds of evolution

2823
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,560
being true

2824
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:43,040
that from bacteria in a swamp

2825
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,840
know

2826
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:46,080
10 million years whatever it is yeah

2827
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,520
whatever it is that uh that we evolved

2828
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,280
the human beings with the brain and the

2829
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,840
um the complexities of

2830
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,159
the human brain evolved in that period

2831
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,400
of time would be the equivalent of a

2832
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,280
tornado going through a junkyard

2833
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,320
and leaving behind a 747 jet

2834
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:07,119
that took off and flew to europe

2835
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,360
he thinks it's much more plausible and i

2836
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:10,880
do too

2837
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,520
a theory of direct transpermia

2838
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,679
and the idea is that

2839
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:16,639
that

2840
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,760
maybe a galaxy or a civilization

2841
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:21,520
was uh faltering

2842
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,880
maybe maybe they were dying their planet

2843
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:27,119
was dying their environment was dying

2844
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,119
and they sent out like shotgun dna

2845
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:33,840
in the form of asteroids and meteorites

2846
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,840
that bombarded the universe

2847
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:38,159
and in very very specific places like

2848
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,040
earth

2849
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:41,360
it took root and so it wasn't from a

2850
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,639
bacteria or whatever that we evolved but

2851
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:46,800
it was jump started

2852
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,000
by by the introduction of dna

2853
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:52,880
into earth which would make that dna the

2854
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:55,679
dna of extraterrestrial beings which

2855
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,920
would make us the children of extra

2856
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,600
terrestrial beings and if you think

2857
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:01,440
about it

2858
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,719
willie

2859
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,400
if you think about it

2860
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:07,280
that spontaneous creation kind of

2861
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:08,560
it really is

2862
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:11,840
it's the bible in another twisted

2863
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:14,239
variation but the story is almost the

2864
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:15,280
same

2865
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,639
that from another

2866
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,000
galaxy

2867
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:20,400
we were created and we weren't created

2868
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:24,159
from bacteria it was purposefully done

2869
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,800
direct transpermia so this is where

2870
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,880
religion and science and neurology and

2871
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:30,239
whatnot really

2872
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,600
do end up

2873
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:34,080
on a sort of similar plane with just

2874
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:34,840
different

2875
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:37,920
vocabulary i i strongly resonate with

2876
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,520
that i i grew up in a very religious

2877
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:40,639
household

2878
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,920
and um you know often religion and

2879
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:46,000
science were pitted against each other

2880
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,840
you know and uh

2881
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:49,760
i growing up as you'd read certain parts

2882
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,800
like oh

2883
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:52,320
it's for instance right from the start

2884
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:53,280
right when it talks about reading the

2885
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,400
beginning about you know every living

2886
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,880
creature came from the water right

2887
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,719
it says that right in the bible and then

2888
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,159
you have the idea of what we've been

2889
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:02,560
taught that okay yeah we evolved from

2890
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:04,159
the water and the science eventually i

2891
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:05,840
was like you guys from the get are

2892
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:08,639
basically agreeing with each other now i

2893
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,400
have serious issues

2894
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,639
with the the

2895
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:14,239
the scale that we're showing of how we

2896
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:15,440
maybe ended up we're at right now and

2897
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,480
that's where i think there's like you're

2898
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,560
saying there's some sort of intervention

2899
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:20,719
yeah whatever that change was

2900
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,880
it was not clear-cut and and it looked

2901
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,400
so clean that little chart of evolution

2902
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:26,400
of how we got here and it's like

2903
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,440
missing length oh missing link so

2904
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,960
that's true right you never understand

2905
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,760
how we just made that leap um

2906
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,840
you know i often wonder i mean from you

2907
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,760
you know obviously right and i hang out

2908
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,800
once again i'm gonna miss the question

2909
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:40,400
you're hanging i did miss one

2910
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:41,360
hey

2911
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,320
right here

2912
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,320
um

2913
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,560
oh maybe they delete did they delete it

2914
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,400
i think someone was asking oh we're here

2915
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,320
i apologize go check and hang on uh

2916
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,520
question it says it took me six

2917
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:56,000
uh go throughs on his story must've been

2918
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,520
talking about the story including your

2919
01:42:02,870 --> 01:41:59,679
books how long did it take you ron to

2920
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:02,880
really go through the story and part

2921
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,520
uh maybe i'm going to say believing

2922
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,840
and weaving maybe

2923
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:11,360
together yeah yeah we mean together that

2924
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,880
makes sense um

2925
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:14,560
four years

2926
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,480
yeah and do you think at that point when

2927
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,840
you finally when it was released it was

2928
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,280
out there were you

2929
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,560
i don't want to use the word you know

2930
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,639
believers and there's maybe those are

2931
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,320
the don't believe it all but excuse me

2932
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:29,119
were you fully um

2933
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:30,880
subscribed to the idea that this this

2934
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:32,719
experience definitely took place for

2935
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,840
them i i thought that um it definitely

2936
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,360
took place

2937
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:38,800
i thought it was subject to

2938
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:40,400
interpretation

2939
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:41,600
i believe what they said happened

2940
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,400
happened

2941
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,960
but even even

2942
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,880
mundane things you know you watch a

2943
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,480
baseball game or a football game

2944
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,239
whatever you like you watch the same

2945
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:52,320
thing i do and and i tell you well this

2946
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:54,159
is what what it means or this is what

2947
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,119
happened

2948
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,679
so i mean i thought that yeah what what

2949
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,920
they say happened happened i'm just not

2950
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,159
sure that it was extraterrestrial i'm

2951
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:04,719
not sure that it had to do with uh

2952
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,480
god or or demons i you know i i really

2953
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,480
don't know what label to put on it

2954
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,639
exactly because it's such a massive

2955
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,679
story

2956
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:15,679
but i can tell you this

2957
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:17,040
over time

2958
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,119
like many people

2959
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,639
many many people

2960
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,800
over the last um

2961
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,480
20 years

2962
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,800
i i think

2963
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:29,360
whatever doubts i had

2964
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:30,239
that

2965
01:43:35,870 --> 01:43:34,800
there are

2966
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:35,880
you know

2967
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,239
extraterrestrial beings whether they're

2968
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:40,800
time travelers whether they're us from

2969
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:41,840
another

2970
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:46,159
what whatever that it exists

2971
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,199
yeah the question is what does it mean

2972
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,679
so more and more i i don't doubt for a

2973
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,520
minute at this point particularly with

2974
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:56,239
the pentagon coming out and the i mean

2975
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,600
the the

2976
01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:59,360
the stories that you hear from air pilot

2977
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:02,480
airline pilots from jet pilots from from

2978
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,520
so many navy ships etc i mean it's

2979
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,960
undeniable

2980
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:09,360
the question is what does it mean you

2981
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:11,520
know that's the question exactly so i

2982
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:12,560
i've

2983
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,520
come to doubt in no way like 100

2984
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:16,560
certainty

2985
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,360
that there are other existences there

2986
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,520
are other life forms if you want to call

2987
01:44:27,310 --> 01:44:23,840
them that and that uh

2988
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:27,320
earth is visited either in time warps or

2989
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,119
extraterrestrials or maybe from

2990
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,960
ourselves or from some spirit world i

2991
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:31,920
don't know

2992
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:35,280
but that uh that this phenomenon is real

2993
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,719
the question is

2994
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,000
exactly

2995
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,880
what do you make of it that's the issue

2996
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,560
and i suppose with any of this stuff i

2997
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,199
need the unknown uh as i drop your link

2998
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,199
once again guys in the chat please feel

2999
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,960
free to check out all of ron's books are

3000
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,719
listed there on amazon

3001
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,600
um

3002
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,199
you know what

3003
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,400
with any of this i suppose

3004
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,560
most people we like to have clean

3005
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,239
clear-cut answers

3006
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,719
and we tend to um

3007
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:04,639
i suppose i'm guilty of this myself

3008
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:05,920
sometimes i instead of going for the

3009
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,639
clear cut answer i can get a little uh

3010
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,320
fantastical with things i like to

3011
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,880
believe in in things not being as clear

3012
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,719
as black and white as we think they are

3013
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:16,000
but then we have the reverse of that we

3014
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:17,040
have those that are just seeing the

3015
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:18,800
world my brother and i um sometimes when

3016
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,840
we see eye to eye when it comes to this

3017
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,520
area because he's very he sees the world

3018
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,719
as black and white and there's an answer

3019
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,800
to everything we don't know yet and and

3020
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:26,800
i do believe that there are answers

3021
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:28,560
i just sometimes think that it's funny

3022
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,360
that

3023
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,199
we're requesting

3024
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:33,360
what could be the answers to work within

3025
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:35,119
the parameters of which we understand

3026
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:36,560
the world to exist right now and that's

3027
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:37,920
not i don't we just don't have the

3028
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,920
picture of what's going on yeah

3029
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:41,199
and uh

3030
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:42,719
you know i i think

3031
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:45,040
i i think you've done amazing work with

3032
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,480
this book over the years i think you've

3033
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,320
done a obviously you're on here with me

3034
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,159
hanging out with a a group like us we're

3035
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:51,920
small potatoes in the grand scheme of

3036
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:52,719
things

3037
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,560
but we have a very tight-knit group of

3038
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,080
family over here that

3039
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,960
are very close and uh we i know they

3040
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,239
appreciate being able to hear from you

3041
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,159
tonight and obviously bringing this

3042
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,400
story forward um who knows what's going

3043
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:06,239
to go because i think that

3044
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:07,520
it's my

3045
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,520
guesstimation i guess at this point i do

3046
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:11,440
think maybe i talk to my children about

3047
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:13,199
this stuff i'm not necessarily planning

3048
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,480
the idea of their head but they bring it

3049
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,639
up i talk pretty openly to them about

3050
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,960
uh maybe some of the things that are not

3051
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:20,880
normal as it were and that you know

3052
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,520
there might be a real day when there are

3053
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:25,119
you know i i tend to lean towards the

3054
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,400
idea that there's been things living

3055
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,080
here for a long time with us very long

3056
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:31,280
time and uh it's been the history as we

3057
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,480
understand it and what we're taught in

3058
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:33,920
school

3059
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:36,159
it's it's it's not what what we've been

3060
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:37,440
taught and that's and i know that's a

3061
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:39,679
hard pill for some people to swallow but

3062
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:41,040
i think at a certain point you say with

3063
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:42,560
everything that's come up with the as

3064
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:44,080
much as i'm not a fan of the government

3065
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,840
as it were uh

3066
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:47,440
even at this point with what they're

3067
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,880
sharing you're almost starting to stick

3068
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:50,239
your head in the sand if you're not at

3069
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,840
least acknowledging that something's

3070
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:53,520
going on i think

3071
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,639
again i'm not one of those guys who

3072
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,239
meditates or anything but

3073
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,920
i think you can feel like a collective

3074
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:59,199
consciousness you can feel like you're

3075
01:47:01,430 --> 01:47:00,239
talking about the awakening or

3076
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:01,440
quickening

3077
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:02,960
something's changing right there's

3078
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:05,360
there's this awareness

3079
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:06,639
and um

3080
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:08,080
i'd like to think that you've been a

3081
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,600
great part of helping some of that for

3082
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,600
sure and like i said we really

3083
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,960
appreciate you coming to hang out with

3084
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:15,119
us at the garage here um i know we only

3085
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:17,280
have about maybe another uh gateshead

3086
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:18,719
here a couple minutes because we got srs

3087
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,159
coming on by the way guys if you want to

3088
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:22,320
check out mr dave scott tonight he will

3089
01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:24,960
have bob boston and nicole sackett and

3090
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,280
they will be talking about bigfoot and

3091
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,440
aliens is there a connection between

3092
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:31,440
sasquatch and uap

3093
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:32,639
so if you guys want to go catch some

3094
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,639
quality content over there on the spaced

3095
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:36,080
out radio and like i said you can catch

3096
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:37,040
myself

3097
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:38,560
gemma jade and john hudson on the

3098
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,880
weekends we'd appreciate that and mr ron

3099
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,320
filbert if there is anything i have

3100
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:44,080
missed tonight i do have your links in

3101
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:45,199
the show notes but if there's anywhere

3102
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,040
else you'd like anybody to find you and

3103
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,800
then once again let us know what you're

3104
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:50,480
working on or anything that that and

3105
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:51,520
we'll get you out here for the evening

3106
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:53,920
as well yeah well i mentioned before

3107
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:56,560
when i was a student at uh at georgetown

3108
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:01,669
and

3109
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:03,600
i got to meet bill blatty while they

3110
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,000
were filming the exorcist and i was at a

3111
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:08,480
new novel my first novel was chasing him

3112
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,440
around

3113
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,520
and we got to be friends he liked the

3114
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,199
novel said he'd help me with the next

3115
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:15,600
one and he did he was true to his word

3116
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:16,800
we had a

3117
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:18,880
pretty much a lifelong friendship

3118
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,239
but during the course of it he passed

3119
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,440
along a very very incredible story

3120
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:25,119
and uh the name of the book that will

3121
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,480
come out in september is called the

3122
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:29,280
unwelcomed the curious case of clara

3123
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:30,400
fowler

3124
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,440
and it's a case of demonic possession

3125
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:35,920
that was studied by harvard university

3126
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,800
from 1898 to 1901

3127
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,280
william james the famous william james

3128
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,560
whose brother was henry james

3129
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,560
harvard medical school professor

3130
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,239
that sort of invented abnormal

3131
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,719
psychology along with dr morton prince

3132
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,440
and george waterman and also leonora

3133
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:55,199
piper who was a

3134
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:56,000
the

3135
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:57,600
chief clairvoyant

3136
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,040
of the times and the president of the um

3137
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:03,840
psychical society research society

3138
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:06,320
formed a team to study this woman

3139
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:07,920
and really it was a battle between the

3140
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:09,840
spiritualists and the scientists as to

3141
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,560
whether this was a new disease

3142
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:14,719
or whether this was in fact

3143
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:17,599
um a spirit that had occupied a human

3144
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:18,719
being

3145
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,840
and this went on for um for three years

3146
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:23,920
and uh it's just it's probably the most

3147
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,880
incredible story i've ever come across

3148
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:29,520
i i do so essentially dealing with it

3149
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:31,199
with the possible i because we haven't

3150
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,440
read it but but a possible uh demonic

3151
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:36,159
demon possession correct and exorcism

3152
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:37,599
very interesting i find that stuff

3153
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,679
highly intriguing i i think there's

3154
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,880
again to me the world is so much more

3155
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,119
magical for better a lack of a better

3156
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:47,679
term than we give it credit for don't

3157
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:49,599
want to get fired up one of the key

3158
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:51,599
lines that i thought though hodgson

3159
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:54,719
who's president of the the psychical

3160
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:57,760
research society talks to william james

3161
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,080
who is a scientist and says don't you

3162
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:02,000
see the possibilities

3163
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,320
here in boston in 1898 if we can prove

3164
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,119
that a demon exists we can prove that

3165
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,719
god exists

3166
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,239
we can prove that there's a life

3167
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,560
everlasting that's what we're that's

3168
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,800
what we're doing here today

3169
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,280
interesting that's that's quite the

3170
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,880
the quote when you think about it that's

3171
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,199
something there powerful it is very

3172
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:25,840
powerful um really quickly too guys i am

3173
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,960
going to drop the link in the the show

3174
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,719
notes here excuse me in the chat so if

3175
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:32,320
anybody wants to come and hang out um

3176
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:33,360
i'll be wrapping up the show we're going

3177
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,280
to let ron get out here enjoy the rest

3178
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:37,360
this evening in florida down there

3179
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,639
how is the weather down there i've got

3180
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:40,400
i've got a what have i got here today i

3181
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:42,400
got 12 i got 11 degrees right now what

3182
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:45,760
do you got down there um about 68. oh my

3183
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,239
gosh 68.

3184
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,080
yeah that's that's the life of michigan

3185
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:52,239
though that's what we get up here so uh

3186
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,520
once again thank you for everyone who

3187
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,320
has joined in tonight and ron thank you

3188
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,840
for doing this uh maybe one day we'll

3189
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:59,119
get to meet in person and i'll get i'll

3190
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:00,719
get a signed copy from you i'll go for

3191
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,719
that i'll bring it with me so a lot of

3192
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,400
fun thank you all right ron you have a

3193
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,480
good night everyone in the chat as i

3194
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:08,560
always say when we're ending it please

3195
01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:12,159
stay curious and keep it weird

3196
01:51:50,130 --> 01:51:13,720
take care

3197
01:51:50,140 --> 01:51:53,350
[Music]

3198
01:51:53,360 --> 01:52:02,140
so

3199
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:09,550
[Music]

3200
01:52:41,860 --> 01:52:23,010
so